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Ron Fischer versus Donald Willis
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Mark
2018-06-25 02:19:48 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.

Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?

Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.

Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?

Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.

Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?

Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.

Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?

Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.

You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what? Do I need to repeat what just about
everyone on here agrees to: that eyewitness testimony is often at odds
about the same event? Tell me what I'm missing here.

Mark
donald willis
2018-06-25 18:39:52 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!

No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
that the lower half of the "sniper's nest" window was open all the way:
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....

dcw
Mark
2018-06-26 14:45:21 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window, that a rifle barrel was seen, expended cartridges were found
there, the makeshift package wrapping was found there, and the rifle was
found on the same floor. We should throw all that out.

Hard evidence versus fallible eyewitness testimony. Why, let's go with
the eyewitnesses. Carry on Chief Inspector.

Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-27 02:13:22 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
OMG, you dared to admit that? The cover-up can't rely on you.
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believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
Yes, a man was near window. No proof who it was.
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the window, that a rifle barrel was seen, expended cartridges were found
there, the makeshift package wrapping was found there, and the rifle was
found on the same floor. We should throw all that out.
No. No one ever said throw out ALL evidence.
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Hard evidence versus fallible eyewitness testimony. Why, let's go with
the eyewitnesses. Carry on Chief Inspector.
Mark
Mark
2018-06-28 23:59:46 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
OMG, you dared to admit that? The cover-up can't rely on you.
Well, golly gee, that picture has been public almost as long as JFK's
been in his grave. CT books as well as works of non-fiction have included
it over the years. Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-29 21:10:45 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
OMG, you dared to admit that? The cover-up can't rely on you.
Well, golly gee, that picture has been public almost as long as JFK's
been in his grave. CT books as well as works of non-fiction have included
it over the years. Mark
You mean the Dillard photo? Before JFK was in his grave.
donald willis
2018-06-30 17:47:10 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
OMG, you dared to admit that? The cover-up can't rely on you.
Well, golly gee, that picture has been public almost as long as JFK's
been in his grave. CT books as well as works of non-fiction have included
it over the years. Mark
You mean the Dillard photo? Before JFK was in his grave.
Does anyone know what day the Dillard(s) were published in the Times
Herald, was it? Anyone have a link? I ILL'd the paper from Dallas and
looked through the first two weeks or so. Did not see any Dillard....

dcw
donald willis
2018-06-27 20:02:04 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.

, that a rifle barrel was seen

Again, the identification of the actual window in which it was seen is
unclear, with contradictory witness evidence.

, expended cartridges were found
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there
Oh, come on! You mean, PUT there, by Fritz, who could neither confirm nor
deny that he touched the hulls in the depository.

the makeshift package wrapping was found there

In the Warren Report, the only thing shown in that area is a dotted line,
in lieu of a photograph, which apparently still hasn't got back from One
Hour Photo!

, and the rifle was
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found on the same floor.
Or as the ATF guy Ellsworth said, "on a lower floor than the 6th". I
think those were his exact words....

We should throw all that out.

It's already gone....
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Hard evidence
You mean, Har har har! evidence....

dcw

versus fallible eyewitness testimony

And yet you cite those fallible people ("a man was seen....")!

dcw
Mark
2018-06-28 19:53:19 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
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, that a rifle barrel was seen
Again, the identification of the actual window in which it was seen is
unclear, with contradictory witness evidence.
Oh, I see. So in the picture assassins Williams and Norman are standing
there and letting all the world see them, while whomever was seen right
above them on the 6th floor window has taken off. A rifle belonging to
Williams or Norman was found in the building. We know Williams or Norman
went out to a residence, on the night before the murder instead of the
usual next day, where his rifle was kept, and then left the next morning
with a package, of a type which Frazier had never seen before. Does it
ever occur to you that a witness might glance at a building and mistake
the adjacent floors where he saw men of different color?
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, expended cartridges were found
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there
Oh, come on! You mean, PUT there, by Fritz, who could neither confirm nor
deny that he touched the hulls in the depository.
Show us your evidence that Fritz "put" them there.
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the makeshift package wrapping was found there
In the Warren Report, the only thing shown in that area is a dotted line,
in lieu of a photograph, which apparently still hasn't got back from One
Hour Photo!
I would conjecture that they screwed up and removed the wrapping before
the picture was taken. You apparently conjecture that it's not in the
photo because Dallas officers were wrapped in a conspiracy to murder the
POTUS.
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, and the rifle was
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found on the same floor.
Or as the ATF guy Ellsworth said, "on a lower floor than the 6th". I
think those were his exact words....
Wow, overwhelming evidence.
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We should throw all that out.
It's already gone....
No doubt it is in your mind. We LNs deal with and argue from a set of
evidence that I believe a majority of criminal attorneys would agree would
survive the discovery process in a criminal trail. You have no such
obligation. You can change the location of the field goals whenever it
suits you. Meaning, you are entitled to say this piece of
Oswald-condemning evidence is fake because, in your world, if two
witnesses disagree it's not credible.
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Hard evidence
You mean, Har har har! evidence....
Cute. I fancy your exclamation marks. In my experience,
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people of the far right or left wing rely on them.
versus fallible eyewitness testimony
And yet you cite those fallible people ("a man was seen....")!
I was wondering when this would come up again. You see, Inspector, they
are fallible. But if you want to try to solve a crime, for instance, you
have to ask yourself whose eyewitness testimony is backed up by hard crime
scene evidence. Like Oswald owning the rifle found in the TSBD, whose
fragmented bullet was proven to have destroyed JFK's brain. Not all
witnesses are equal.

Mark
donald willis
2018-06-30 01:14:45 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer u CUT
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
Your fake outrage is obscuring the issue. The subject was NOT "varying
thoughts". And I was NOT saying that they "screwed up" when they said
that the window was wide open. These five witnesses did not "vary" their
observations re the latter. All five--Brennan, Fischer, Edwards, Jackson,
and Couch (who, yes, was unsure)--said the suspect's window was open all
the way. And Fischer and Edwards were not under any pressure when they
saw the suspect, a short time BEFORE any shooting was going on.

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-30 21:24:45 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer u CUT
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
Your fake outrage is obscuring the issue. The subject was NOT "varying
thoughts". And I was NOT saying that they "screwed up" when they said
that the window was wide open. These five witnesses did not "vary" their
observations re the latter. All five--Brennan, Fischer, Edwards, Jackson,
The point is, how would they KNOW if they had never been in the TSBD?
Certainly Brennan did not know how low the window sill was so he said he
saw the shooter stand there from the waist up. Physically impossible, but
he ASSuMEd that the window sill is about 30 inches above the floor. I
would call that an honest mistake.
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and Couch (who, yes, was unsure)--said the suspect's window was open all
the way. And Fischer and Edwards were not under any pressure when they
saw the suspect, a short time BEFORE any shooting was going on.
dcw
Mark
2018-07-01 00:27:03 UTC
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer u CUT
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
Your fake outrage is obscuring the issue. The subject was NOT "varying
thoughts". And I was NOT saying that they "screwed up" when they said
that the window was wide open. These five witnesses did not "vary" their
observations re the latter. All five--Brennan, Fischer, Edwards, Jackson,
and Couch (who, yes, was unsure)--said the suspect's window was open all
the way. And Fischer and Edwards were not under any pressure when they
saw the suspect, a short time BEFORE any shooting was going on.
dcw
"Fake outrage"? You can call it what you want, but there is nothing fake
about my disrespect for those who carry Lee Harvey Oswald's water.

We both have witnesses who saw an open window at the southeast corner of
the 6th floor, whether half-open or wide-open. (Read Jean Hill's green
memories of what she thought she saw happen right in front of her on
Elm.)

I accept the evidence--as did the Democratic Party-controlled HSCA--that
Oswald left behind that open window, and you don't. I don't think the
Dallas Police officers were making evidence up to frame an innocent
Oswald, do you? I don't know how a thinking person could think they
were--how many of them were searching in the TSBD?--willing to say, "Cover
up Kennedy's murder?, hell yes, count me in."

I've asked you before if that is your conclusion. The Dallas cops were
part of the conspiracy? I've never gotten a clear answer. Mark
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer u CUT
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
Your fake outrage is obscuring the issue. The subject was NOT "varying
thoughts". And I was NOT saying that they "screwed up" when they said
that the window was wide open. These five witnesses did not "vary" their
observations re the latter. All five--Brennan, Fischer, Edwards, Jackson,
and Couch (who, yes, was unsure)--said the suspect's window was open all
the way. And Fischer and Edwards were not under any pressure when they
saw the suspect, a short time BEFORE any shooting was going on.
dcw
"Fake outrage"? You can call it what you want, but there is nothing fake
about my disrespect for those who carry Lee Harvey Oswald's water.
I love how you simulate indignation!
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We both have witnesses who saw an open window at the southeast corner of
the 6th floor, whether half-open or wide-open. (Read Jean Hill's green
memories of what she thought she saw happen right in front of her on
Elm.)
I accept the evidence--as did the Democratic Party-controlled HSCA--that
Oswald left behind that open window, and you don't. I don't think the
Dallas Police officers were making evidence up to frame an innocent
Oswald, do you?
(a) Oswald had at least a small role in the assassination. He was I
think guilty of conspiring, but probably not a shooter.

(b) DPD did have a fraudulent transcription made, by Sgt. G.D. Henslee,
which gave transmissions by Patrolman Hill and Sgt. Hill to other
officers. This was apparently done, respectively, to cover-up the ID of
the witness who told (Patrolman) Hill that the shooting came from the
"second window from the end"--i.e., not the "nest" window--and to cover up
the fact that (Sgt) Hill radioed from Oak Cliff that the shells at the
scene were auto 38s. Hence, no officer had to explain the embarrassing
transmission, correct or not....


I don't know how a thinking person could think they
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were--how many of them were searching in the TSBD?--willing to say, "Cover
up Kennedy's murder?, hell yes, count me in."
I've asked you before if that is your conclusion. The Dallas cops were
part of the conspiracy? I've never gotten a clear answer. Mark
How's this--Capt Fritz & Insp Sawyer WERE part of the conspiracy. (I
don't know of any rank-and-file DPD members who were.) Fritz played
pickup stix with the depository hulls, and Sawyer delivered a fake (!)
suspect description.

dcw
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Donald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer u CUT
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
Your fake outrage is obscuring the issue. The subject was NOT "varying
thoughts". And I was NOT saying that they "screwed up" when they said
that the window was wide open. These five witnesses did not "vary" their
observations re the latter. All five--Brennan, Fischer, Edwards, Jackson,
and Couch (who, yes, was unsure)--said the suspect's window was open all
the way. And Fischer and Edwards were not under any pressure when they
saw the suspect, a short time BEFORE any shooting was going on.
dcw
"Fake outrage"? You can call it what you want, but there is nothing fake
about my disrespect for those who carry Lee Harvey Oswald's water.
We both have witnesses who saw an open window at the southeast corner of
the 6th floor, whether half-open or wide-open. (Read Jean Hill's green
memories of what she thought she saw happen right in front of her on
Elm.)
I accept the evidence--as did the Democratic Party-controlled HSCA--that
Do you even realize that there were TWO HSCAs? No. You are not a
researcher and you weren't even paying attention back in 1978.
The first HSCA was indeed controlled by the Democracic Party and it was
actively looking for conspiracy, most likely by the CIA.
Then the balance changed in Congress and they shut down the HSCA and
replaced it with a new HSCA, sruffing it with Republicans, which was
given the assignment to rubber stamp the WC. Then accidentally they
stumbled onto the acoustical evidence which found a fourth shot.
Maybe even YOU are smart enough to know that that means conspiracy so
they had to say conspiracy. Barely.
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Oswald left behind that open window, and you don't. I don't think the
Why would anyone leave behind an open window? That's so rude. Maybe the
pigeons could get in and make a mess.
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Dallas Police officers were making evidence up to frame an innocent
Oswald, do you? I don't know how a thinking person could think they
No need. They were already too incompetent to properly handle the
evidence. Mauser?
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were--how many of them were searching in the TSBD?--willing to say, "Cover
up Kennedy's murder?, hell yes, count me in."
Why would they say that out loud? Is that what the Watergate Burglers
did? Is that what Trump and his aides did?
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I've asked you before if that is your conclusion. The Dallas cops were
part of the conspiracy? I've never gotten a clear answer. Mark
The answer is NO. Were the 2 DPD cops part of a conspiracy to cover up
Oswald shooting at Walker? No, they were just morons.

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