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OMG!!! These clowns are teaching a college course
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bigdog
2018-05-04 00:13:34 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.

The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
mainframetech
2018-05-04 23:33:12 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.

Chris
bigdog
2018-05-06 00:28:54 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
It isn't opinion that these yahoos blatantly misstated facts. We can start
with the first one when they wrote:

"One important fact that comes out early in the trial is that Lee Harvey
Oswald tested negative when given a paraffin test on his cheeks. When
someone fires a Mannlicher-Carcano, the rifle found on the sixth floor of
the Texas School Book Depository that day, residue emits from the chamber
onto the cheek of the individual. We know this because all of the FBI
marksmen that tested the very same Mannlicher-Carcano tested positive for
residue when given a paraffin test."

This is absolutely and undeniably wrong. Since you have never read the WCR
you wouldn't realize it so I'll post this passage for your benefit from
Appendix X, beginning on page 560:

[quote on]

The Paraffin Test

During the course of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald following the
assassination a paraffin test was performed by the Dallas police on both
of his hands and his right cheek. The paraffin cast of Oswald's hands
reacted positively to the test. The cast of the right cheek showed no
reaction. 87

To perform the paraffin test, layers of warm liquid paraffin, inter-leaved
with layers of gauze for reinforcement, are brushed or poured on the
suspect's skin. The warm sticky paraffin opens the skin's pores and picks
up any dirt and foreign material present at the surface. When the paraffin
cools and hardens it forms a cast, which is taken off and processed with
diphenylamine or diphenyl-

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benzidine, chemicals which turn blue in the presence of nitrates. Since
gunpowder residues contain nitrates, the theory behind the test. is that
if a cast reacts positively, i.e., if blue dots appear, it provides
evidence that the suspect recently fired a weapon. 88 In fact, however,
the test is completely unreliable in determining either whether a person
has recently fired a weapon or whether he has not. 89 On the one hand,
diphenylamine and diphenylbenzidine will react positively not only with
nitrates from gunpowder residues, but nitrates from other sources and most
oxidizing agents, including dichromates, per-manganates, hypochlorates,
periodates, and some oxides. Thus, contact with tobacco, Clorox, urine,
cosmetics, kitchen matches, pharmaceuticals, fertilizers, or soils, among
other things, may result in a positive reaction to the paraffin test.
Also, the mere handling of a weapon may leave nitrates on the skin. 90 A
positive reaction is, therefore, valueless in determining whether a
suspect has recently fired a weapon. Conversely, a person who has recently
fired a weapon may not show a positive reaction to the paraffin test,
particularly if the weapon was a rifle. A revolver is so constructed that
there is a space between the cylinder, which bears the chambers, and the
barrel. When a revolver is fired, nitrate-bearing gases escape through
this space and may leave residues on the. hand. 91 In a rifle, however,
there is no gap between the chamber and the barrel, and one would
therefore not expect nitrates to be deposited upon a person's hands or
cheeks as a result of his firing a rifle. As Cunningham testified:

Mr. CUNNINGHAM. ... I personally wouldn't expect to find any residues on a
person's right cheek after firing a rifle due to the fact that by the very
principles and the manufacture and the action, the cartridge itself is
sealed into the chamber by the bolt being closed behind it, and upon
firing the case, the cartridge case expands into the chamber filling it up
and sealing it off from the gases, so none will come back in your face,
and so by its very nature, I would not expect to find residue on the
right. cheek of a shooter.

The unreliability of the paraffin test has been demonstrated by
experiments run by the FBI. In one experiment, conducted prior to the
assassination, paraffin tests were performed on 17 men who had just fired
5 shots with a .38-caliber revolver. Eight men tested negative in both
hands, three men tested positive on the idle hand and negative on the
firing hand, two men tested positive on the firing hand and negative on
the idle hand, and four men tested positive on both their firing and idle
hands. 93 In a second experiment, paraffin tests were per formed on 29
persons, 9 of whom had just fired a revolver or an automatic, and 20 of
whom had not fired a weapon. All 29 persons tested positive on either or
both hands. 94 In a third experiment, performed after the assassination,
an agent of the FBI, using the C2766 rifle, fired

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three rounds of Western 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition in
rapid succession. A paraffin test was then performed on both of his hands
and his right cheek. Both of his hands and his cheek tested negative.
95

[quote off]

So contrary to what these schmucks claimed, the FBI agent did not test
positive for residue after firing the Carcano and then being given a
paraffin test. He tested negative.

That is just their first mistake. When people don't even have command of
basic facts about which they are pontificating, what reason is their to
give them any credibility. It would appear they heard this factoid
repeated numerous times and accepted it as authentic. One would expect
more of those teaching at the collegiate level, but maybe I am
naïve.
BOZ
2018-05-06 19:16:52 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-07 16:15:06 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
Do you need a copy? I have several copies and can send you one.
Just post your real name and your real address here.
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2018-05-07 16:22:53 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
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2018-05-08 02:12:20 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.

He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.

Real missiles not bullets.
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2018-05-08 19:12:13 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.


Chris
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2018-05-08 23:58:03 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
Chris
Ad hominen is an attack on a person's character or name.

Saying you see missiles hit things - buildings, JFK - when they don't
isn't ad hominem.

It's not only not ad hominem it's true.
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2018-05-10 01:06:28 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
Chris
Ad hominen is an attack on a person's character or name.
Saying you see missiles hit things - buildings, JFK - when they don't
isn't ad hominem.
It's not only not ad hominem it's true.
WRONG! The ad hominem comment was the one that demeaned the person who
made a comment about the shot in the forehead/temple area. Did you even
look for it with the instructions, or did you simply and faithfully
believe the WCR?

Chris
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
Chris
Ad hominen is an attack on a person's character or name.
Saying you see missiles hit things - buildings, JFK - when they don't
isn't ad hominem.
What building are you talking about? They did not hit a JFK building.
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It's not only not ad hominem it's true.
So you want to go on record as admitting that you make ad hominem
attacks here? Lucky there are no rules to stop you.
claviger
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Ad hominen is an attack on a person's character or name.
Saying you see missiles hit things - buildings, JFK - when they don't
isn't ad hominem.
What building are you talking about? They did not hit a JFK building.
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It's not only not ad hominem it's true.
So you want to go on record as admitting that you make ad hominem
attacks here? Lucky there are no rules to stop you.
Lucky there are no rules to stop you from calling somebody a Nazi.
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Ad hominen is an attack on a person's character or name.
Saying you see missiles hit things - buildings, JFK - when they don't
isn't ad hominem.
What building are you talking about? They did not hit a JFK building.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
It's not only not ad hominem it's true.
So you want to go on record as admitting that you make ad hominem
attacks here? Lucky there are no rules to stop you.
Lucky there are no rules to stop you from calling somebody a Nazi.
Au Contraire. McAdams won't let me call YOU a Nazi.
YOU are protected.
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Ad hominen is an attack on a person's character or name.
Saying you see missiles hit things - buildings, JFK - when they don't
isn't ad hominem.
What building are you talking about? They did not hit a JFK building.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
It's not only not ad hominem it's true.
So you want to go on record as admitting that you make ad hominem
attacks here? Lucky there are no rules to stop you.
Lucky there are no rules to stop you from calling somebody a Nazi.
Au Contraire. McAdams won't let me call YOU a Nazi.
YOU are protected.
You've already done that, in an oblique manner several times.
Doesn't bother me anyway since I detest Socialism in all of its
mutations. The Nazis were one of two remarkably successful
experiments of malevolent oppressive Socialism. At first they
had astonishing economic success, until a growing arrogance
of aggression blended together to invade, annex, and occupy
European neighbors and a peaceful nation in East Africa.

Socialism is based on Ignorance, Arrogance, and most of all
Envy, which leads into an ongoing sense of moral superiority
and entitlement. It took root in the attitude "We can run your
country better than you can", so get out of our way or we will
run over your foot with our tanks. The electoral process is a
first casualty of Socialism, as seen in Cuba and Nicaragua by
the Sandinistas.

A successful Socialist regime typically has one election which
is good for the foreseeable future. We'll see this pattern again
and again all around the world. At the start It happened in Italy,
Germany, Russia, and in Cuba, Nicaragua, and then elsewhere.
Castro fanático Hugo Chávez tried to do it in Venezuela. Now
we see it again recently in Turkey. Socialism breeds arrogance
and intolerance. It is a political blunder not easily corrected as
in Democracy with a recurring pattern of elections.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
Chris
What's fascinating is reading your serial posts smearing and defaming
people by accusing them of murder and treason and conspiracy and then you
complaining when someone mocks your VIEWS.

Mocking your views is not a personal attack; it's attacking your views and
not you. You, in turn, mock and ridicule the views of lone assassin
believers. Fine, nobody is complaining when you do.

However, accusing people of murder is a personal attack.

Use that grey matter inside your forehead/temple and figure this out.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
Chris
What's fascinating is reading your serial posts smearing and defaming
people by accusing them of murder and treason and conspiracy and then you
complaining when someone mocks your VIEWS.
I don't mind someone debating my "views" if they want, and if they
supply intelligent thinking and facts and proof of their contentions.
But I find it irritating that there are those that have no facts and no
proofs and not even any logic yet bumble in with low blows and ad hominem
comments about the speaker or their beliefs.
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Mocking your views is not a personal attack; it's attacking your views and
not you. You, in turn, mock and ridicule the views of lone assassin
believers. Fine, nobody is complaining when you do.
I reply in the style that I receive. Anyone that I give an attitude
to has first given me one, or used one in speaking at me or my beliefs.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
However, accusing people of murder is a personal attack.
I've accused no one here of murder, or even causing great physical
injury. However, as with any detective, junior or otherwise, I have named
murderers here, though rarely, and that comes from the facts and
information that I have come across or dug up. Have you accused Oswald of
murdering JFK? I see no difference in that and my accusing a group of
plotters of the same crime.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Use that grey matter inside your forehead/temple and figure this out.
Make a legitimate look for the bullet hole in the forehead/temple
area, and then tell me all about it. Please use the instructions
supplied, or you won't see much.

ENLARGE the photo below and look at the right forehead area between
the hair hanging down. Note the circular hole ringed by a fleshy rim.
Let me know what you saw. Thank you:

Loading Image...

Chris
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
Chris
What's fascinating is reading your serial posts smearing and defaming
people by accusing them of murder and treason and conspiracy and then you
complaining when someone mocks your VIEWS.
Then why can't we say the same when you accuse Oswald? He was not proven
guilty in a court of law so he is presumed innocent.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Mocking your views is not a personal attack; it's attacking your views and
not you. You, in turn, mock and ridicule the views of lone assassin
believers. Fine, nobody is complaining when you do.
Of course they are and YOU lead the charge.
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However, accusing people of murder is a personal attack.
You mean like when you accuse Oswald of killing JFK.
Well, at least he can't sue you.
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Use that grey matter inside your forehead/temple and figure this out.
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What's fascinating is reading your serial posts smearing and defaming
people by accusing them of murder and treason and conspiracy and
then you complaining when someone mocks your VIEWS.
Then why can't we say the same when you accuse Oswald? He was not
proven guilty in a court of law so he is presumed innocent.
We are all presumed innocent until the facts are established based on all
available evidence. A Criminal Court, Presidential Panel, or Congressional
Committee have authority to examine the evidence, then render a verdict or
present a finding as to causation and guilt. There was a criminal trial in
a Moot Court with two brilliant attorneys and a real Judge also rendered a
guilty verdict in absentia.
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Mocking your views is not a personal attack; it's attacking your views and
not you. You, in turn, mock and ridicule the views of lone assassin
believers. Fine, nobody is complaining when you do.
Of course they are and YOU lead the charge.
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However, accusing people of murder is a personal attack.
You mean like when you accuse Oswald of killing JFK.
Well, at least he can't sue you.
A shame LHO never was tried in a State Criminal Court. He would have
received the death penalty.
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What's fascinating is reading your serial posts smearing and defaming
people by accusing them of murder and treason and conspiracy and
then you complaining when someone mocks your VIEWS.
Then why can't we say the same when you accuse Oswald? He was not
proven guilty in a court of law so he is presumed innocent.
We are all presumed innocent until the facts are established based on all
available evidence. A Criminal Court, Presidential Panel, or Congressional
Committee have authority to examine the evidence, then render a verdict or
present a finding as to causation and guilt. There was a criminal trial in
a Moot Court with two brilliant attorneys and a real Judge also rendered a
guilty verdict in absentia.
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Mocking your views is not a personal attack; it's attacking your views and
not you. You, in turn, mock and ridicule the views of lone assassin
believers. Fine, nobody is complaining when you do.
Of course they are and YOU lead the charge.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
However, accusing people of murder is a personal attack.
You mean like when you accuse Oswald of killing JFK.
Well, at least he can't sue you.
A shame LHO never was tried in a State Criminal Court. He would have
received the death penalty.
I guess you've never heard of the Dreyfus case. HE was easily convicted
(by the conspirators who really did it). He became a cause celebre and
got a new trial and was found not guilty. The same would have happened
with Oswald.
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Then why can't we say the same when you accuse Oswald? He was not proven
guilty in a court of law so he is presumed innocent.
As is John Wilkes Booth. Personally, I wonder if Lincoln didn't commit
suicide. And if not, Major Rathbone was very unstable personality who
later strangled his wife and was committed to a mental hospital. How do we
really know he didn't do it? Are you really going to believe Mrs. Lincoln?
Booth is the classic patsy who is assassinated by Corbett to keep him
silent about what he knew. By those needing to cover up the mess at
Andersonville and make sure the Union got no part of the blame. They'd
used Corbett before, you know...
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Then why can't we say the same when you accuse Oswald? He was not proven
guilty in a court of law so he is presumed innocent.
As is John Wilkes Booth. Personally, I wonder if Lincoln didn't commit
suicide. And if not, Major Rathbone was very unstable personality who
later strangled his wife and was committed to a mental hospital. How do we
really know he didn't do it? Are you really going to believe Mrs. Lincoln?
The angle from behind the head and the type of ammo.
Post by Steve BH
Booth is the classic patsy who is assassinated by Corbett to keep him
silent about what he knew. By those needing to cover up the mess at
Andersonville and make sure the Union got no part of the blame. They'd
used Corbett before, you know...
Is this a new book or is this Ralph's Booth Innocence Project?
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-05-10 01:08:04 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.

We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.

It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.

How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
bigdog
2018-05-10 19:27:40 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
You've summed it up very well and very concisely.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-10 19:28:54 UTC
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Post by bigdog
https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
Almost never.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
We show you the bullet hole in the forehead and you deny it.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
9/11 has nothing to do with the JFK assassination.
You are just kook baiting.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
Then prove him wrong. Do I have to do all the heavy lifting here?
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2018-05-11 03:04:17 UTC
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Post by bigdog
https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
Almost never.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
We show you the bullet hole in the forehead and you deny it.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
9/11 has nothing to do with the JFK assassination.
You are just kook baiting.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
Then prove him wrong. Do I have to do all the heavy lifting here?
The only thing you do here is provide comic relief. Everyone knows that
except you.
Jason Burke
2018-05-12 03:05:58 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
    Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good
idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
    So sad.  The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they
have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults.  Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
Almost never.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
We show you the bullet hole in the forehead and you deny it.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
9/11 has nothing to do with the JFK assassination.
You are just kook baiting.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
Then prove him wrong. Do I have to do all the heavy lifting here?
It *does* give you something to do.
Not something useful, but something.
mainframetech
2018-05-11 02:54:56 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.

Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.

You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.

An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.

I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.

Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?

Chris
bigdog
2018-05-12 03:08:33 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
Post by mainframetech
I've presented facts
I missed that part. I must have blinked at the wrong time.
Post by mainframetech
and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
You've never understood the difference between claiming something and
proving it.
Post by mainframetech
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans.
You really are laying the irony on especially thick.
Post by mainframetech
Try logic, facts, evidence.
Still more irony.
Post by mainframetech
When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't.
Isn't there a limit on irony alerts?
Post by mainframetech
And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
So you admit you think repeating the same claims over and over again makes
them stronger.
Post by mainframetech
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all.
The evidence leaves no doubt.
Post by mainframetech
No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window,
Oswald put the rifle in the hands of Oswald at the windown.
Post by mainframetech
and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
No one has presented any evidence that you won't invent a silly excuse to
dismiss.
Post by mainframetech
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something.
That wasn't the killing bullet. The killing bullet was found in the limo
badly fragmented.
Post by mainframetech
Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Factoid.
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2018-05-14 00:08:53 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
Post by mainframetech
I've presented facts
I missed that part. I must have blinked at the wrong time.
Post by mainframetech
and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
You've never understood the difference between claiming something and
proving it.
Post by mainframetech
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans.
You really are laying the irony on especially thick.
Post by mainframetech
Try logic, facts, evidence.
Still more irony.
Post by mainframetech
When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't.
Isn't there a limit on irony alerts?
Post by mainframetech
And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
So you admit you think repeating the same claims over and over again makes
them stronger.
Post by mainframetech
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all.
The evidence leaves no doubt.
Post by mainframetech
No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window,
Oswald put the rifle in the hands of Oswald at the windown.
Post by mainframetech
and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
No one has presented any evidence that you won't invent a silly excuse to
dismiss.
Post by mainframetech
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something.
That wasn't the killing bullet. The killing bullet was found in the limo
badly fragmented.
Good, so you realize that CE 399 could not be the killing bullet. Maybe
one of the fragments found in the limo was part of the killing bullet.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Factoid.
mainframetech
2018-05-16 02:26:01 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
I've presented facts
I missed that part. I must have blinked at the wrong time.
Post by mainframetech
and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
You've never understood the difference between claiming something and
proving it.
Post by mainframetech
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans.
You really are laying the irony on especially thick.
Post by mainframetech
Try logic, facts, evidence.
Still more irony.
Post by mainframetech
When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't.
Isn't there a limit on irony alerts?
Post by mainframetech
And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
So you admit you think repeating the same claims over and over again makes
them stronger.
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An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all.
The evidence leaves no doubt.
Post by mainframetech
No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window,
Oswald put the rifle in the hands of Oswald at the windown.
Post by mainframetech
and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
No one has presented any evidence that you won't invent a silly excuse to
dismiss.
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I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something.
That wasn't the killing bullet. The killing bullet was found in the limo
badly fragmented.
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Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Factoid.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny. You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.

Chris
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny. You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
Chris
There was no bullet hole in the back of the head.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH. I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH. Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
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You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a but f the top.
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I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
Post by bigdog
Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility. However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
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Post by mainframetech
You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.

Chris
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a but f the top.
Post by bigdog
I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
One of the leaked photos shows multiple flaps as does the Z-film.

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Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility.
You're right about that. Only conspiracy hobbyists would do something that
silly..
Post by mainframetech
However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
More myths.
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You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.
Didn't you forget the first part? You know the line that begins "Once upon
a time...".
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a bit of the top.
Post by bigdog
I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
One of the leaked photos shows multiple flaps as does the Z-film.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1lO729B9TAc/SZmiUVdXS7I/AAAAAAAAEA8/BAJwRJ2In_E/s400/kennedy-side.jpg
WRONG! Nope, the photo shows the expulsion of brain mater, but only
one flap over the right ear. By looking at the others of the 'leaked'
photos you can se that what is in the photo you showed was simply brain
material pushing up through the hole made by Humes and Boswell.
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Post by bigdog
Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility.
You're right about that. Only conspiracy hobbyists would do something that
silly..
Silly? You think that murder of a president is not to be looked into
thoroughly? Just accept what you're told and stop thinking and
complaining. I see.
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Post by mainframetech
However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
More myths.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.
Didn't you forget the first part? You know the line that begins "Once upon
a time...".
Once upon a time, a number of people looking for corruption money, had
to get rid of the president of the USA who was in the way, and they got
together and made a plan that would blame an innocent person for the
killing they were going to do, so that none of them would be blamed and
they could go about their lives making illegal money. But the public knew
it was a murder by a group of people, and spent years tracking them down
and digging up evidence to the murder and the people who did it. They
were proven guilty in a court of law, and were sentenced to life in
prison, and everyone else lived happily ever after.

Chris
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a bit of the top.
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I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
One of the leaked photos shows multiple flaps as does the Z-film.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1lO729B9TAc/SZmiUVdXS7I/AAAAAAAAEA8/BAJwRJ2In_E/s400/kennedy-side.jpg
WRONG! Nope, the photo shows the expulsion of brain mater, but only
one flap over the right ear. By looking at the others of the 'leaked'
photos you can se that what is in the photo you showed was simply brain
material pushing up through the hole made by Humes and Boswell.
When was the last time you had your eyes checked?
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Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility.
You're right about that. Only conspiracy hobbyists would do something that
silly..
Silly? You think that murder of a president is not to be looked into
thoroughly? Just accept what you're told and stop thinking and
complaining. I see.
The assassination of JFK is the most thoroughly examined crime in the
history of mankind and the answer is still Oswald with the Carcano from
the TSBD.
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However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
More myths.
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You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.
Didn't you forget the first part? You know the line that begins "Once upon
a time...".
Once upon a time, a number of people looking for corruption money, had
to get rid of the president of the USA who was in the way, and they got
together and made a plan that would blame an innocent person for the
killing they were going to do, so that none of them would be blamed and
they could go about their lives making illegal money. But the public knew
it was a murder by a group of people, and spent years tracking them down
and digging up evidence to the murder and the people who did it. They
were proven guilty in a court of law, and were sentenced to life in
prison, and everyone else lived happily ever after.
Can I suggest a title for this. Chris's Fairy Tales.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a but f the top.
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I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
Post by bigdog
Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility. However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
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You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.
The "Fantasies Of Mainframe" never cease, do they?

(Some of my "BOH" thoughts below.)

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/10/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1045.html
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a but f the top.
Post by bigdog
I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
Post by bigdog
Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility. However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
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You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.
The "Fantasies Of Mainframe" never cease, do they?
(Some of my "BOH" thoughts below.)
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/10/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1045.html
From the guy who says the most and researches the least. And a trick
at the end to get folks to go to his website to keep his hit count up.

Chris
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition?
The opposition doesn't present facts, just assumptions, speculations, and
suspicions.
You're spreading disinformation again. You need to curb that urge.
CTs have told you of many facts, and proofs which you keep trying to
ignore.
I wouldn't ignore them if they were ever accompanied by credible evidence.
Instead the come with healthy doses of speculation and assumption.
Your complaint about "credible evidence" is a matter of your opinion
of it, and not whether it objectively stands as evidence. An example is
that over 39 eyewitnesses saw a 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK which you
deny.
I deny the large hole was LIMITED to the BOH.
Well of course you do. But the eyewitnesses were seeing the 'large
hole' in the BOH BEFORE the body was clandestinely altered by Humes and
Boswell. And for you, you keep trying to overlay the sight of the BOH
AFTER they did the clandestine work, and when the body was described by
Humes in the Autopsy Report (AR). At that time there was indeed a much
larger hole in the head that now went around the right side from the BOH
and a but f the top.
Post by bigdog
I also believe that
many/most of your 39 witnesses so only the rear portion of that defect
because the flaps had been closed over the forward part of it, creating
the illusion that the blowout was limited to the BOH.
WRONG! There was only one bone flap in the head of JFK, and that
occurred AFTER the clandestine work done on the body at Bethesda. There
is absolutely NO report or comment from anyone that mentions ANY bone flap
except the one over the right ear. That is seen in an autopsy photo and
was mentioned in the AR.
Post by bigdog
Of course we know
that the blowout extended along the entire upper right side of JFK's head
because we see that blowout in the Z-film, the original autopsy team
determined that, the photos and x-rays from that autopsy were enough to
convince every qualified medical examiner who has seen them that the
defect extended that far and that JFK was killed by a bullet that entered
the BOH.
Most people don't expect that a film of a rifle shot striking the
POTUS would be faked. So even pathologists would not think to check such
a possibility. However, the Z-film was shown to have been altered at the
Frame 313 point and after, and possibly before in removing some of the
braking of the limo before the final kill shot. LNs of course, refuse to
look at any evidence that the alteration happened, so they can use
'plausible deniability' to say it never happened.
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You still think there was only a little bullet hole at the BOH,
even though an autopsy photo shows no such thing.
No, I don't believe that is the only hole in the BOH. As the AR noted, the
defect extended into the occipital bone which is in the BOH but it was
chiefly parietal.
That was the state of the large hole AFTER Humes and Boswell did their
clandestine work on the body. They expanded the large hole at the BOH to
go around the right side so that it would look more like a result of a
rear shot entry. They also added a bone flap over the right ear to look
like a bullet exit.
Chris
That makes no sense. You say there was a massive hole and they made it
into a tiny hole? Where did they get the bones? We can see the skull
flying up in the Zapruder film and we have the pieces recovered from
Dallas. How can they change a huge hole in the scalp into a tiny hole?
Plastic surgery?
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.


But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.

Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?

I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
Excuse me? How many test bullets have you seen? None.
It looks like the test bullet that was fired into a barrel of water or
into gelatin. How can you produce a test bullet without firing it into
something, Einstein?
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
How about the stupidity of Ruby to put it on the WRONG gurney? Sounds
like a typical CIA screw-up.
Post by mainframetech
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
I like your new theory. You think the conspirators could drop a test
bullet into the limo at Parkland and the FBI would think it just FELL
out of JFK's clothing? Brilliant! That's why we keep you around here.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
Who? Why don't you claim that ALL conspiracy believers all believe in
the same conspiracy theory as long as it is the most ridiculous? Don't
forget to include aliens next time, slacker!
Post by mainframetech
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Where is the best place to plant a fake bullet?
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
OK. Here's a photo from the WC exhibits of bullets in the case:

Loading Image...

The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.



The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.

The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.

If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.

Chris
Chris
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.

Chris
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-19 20:14:46 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Because someone has to be here to refute your nonsense.
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Because someone has to be here to refute your nonsense.
Who will that someone be? So far bigdog has demolished all
CT attempts to theorize away the WCR scientific conclusions.
After 50 years CTs can't even agree on one CT.
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Because someone has to be here to refute your nonsense.
Who will that someone be? So far bigdog has demolished all
CT attempts to theorize away the WCR scientific conclusions.
After 50 years CTs can't even agree on one CT.
You live in a fantasy world where the LNs congratulate each other on
somehow protecting the silly WCR, which was proven foolish many years ago.
The LNs will go on patting each other on the back as long as time goes on,
ignoring truth in favor of comfort.

Multiple persons committed an act of murder as a coup on the presidency
of the USA, but those that shy away from responsibility will forever avoid
admitting there was murder done so they will have nothing to do but enjoy
throwing insults on those that can see the truth.

Chris
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Because someone has to be here to refute your nonsense.
Who will that someone be? So far bigdog has demolished all
CT attempts to theorize away the WCR scientific conclusions.
After 50 years CTs can't even agree on one CT.
You live in a fantasy world where the LNs congratulate each other on
somehow protecting the silly WCR, which was proven foolish many years ago.
The LNs will go on patting each other on the back as long as time goes on,
ignoring truth in favor of comfort.
Multiple persons committed an act of murder as a coup on the presidency
of the USA, but those that shy away from responsibility will forever avoid
admitting there was murder done so they will have nothing to do but enjoy
throwing insults on those that can see the truth.
OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-25 14:20:43 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
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Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
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Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Because someone has to be here to refute your nonsense.
Who will that someone be? So far bigdog has demolished all
CT attempts to theorize away the WCR scientific conclusions.
After 50 years CTs can't even agree on one CT.
You live in a fantasy world where the LNs congratulate each other on
somehow protecting the silly WCR, which was proven foolish many years ago.
The LNs will go on patting each other on the back as long as time goes on,
ignoring truth in favor of comfort.
Multiple persons committed an act of murder as a coup on the presidency
of the USA, but those that shy away from responsibility will forever avoid
admitting there was murder done so they will have nothing to do but enjoy
throwing insults on those that can see the truth.
OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says it was an accident.
claviger
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OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says it was an accident.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says JFK was wounded twice :
one shot by a sniper in the 6th floor window and a second
accidental shot from the Security Car.
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2018-05-28 00:15:11 UTC
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OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says it was an accident.
one shot by a sniper in the 6th floor window and a second
accidental shot from the Security Car.
Oh, so now you claim that JFK was only wounded not killed.
So he retire and now lives in Florida?
claviger
2018-05-28 23:18:15 UTC
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OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says it was an accident.
one shot by a sniper in the 6th floor window and a second
accidental shot from the Security Car.
Oh, so now you claim that JFK was only wounded not killed.
So he retire and now lives in Florida?
I've heard about that story too.

Did you ever see the movie "Dave"?
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2018-05-30 19:38:43 UTC
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OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says it was an accident.
one shot by a sniper in the 6th floor window and a second
accidental shot from the Security Car.
Oh, so now you claim that JFK was only wounded not killed.
So he retire and now lives in Florida?
I've heard about that story too.
Did you ever see the movie "Dave"?
Unfortunately yes, but I was thinking of some cheap sci-fi movie.
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OK. You win. I'll admit it. JFK was murdered.
Naughty, naughty. Claviger says it was an accident.
one shot by a sniper in the 6th floor window and a second
accidental shot from the Security Car.
Oh, so now you claim that JFK was only wounded not killed.
He died as the result of a head wound.
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you? By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose. The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
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The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts?
Because someone has to be here to refute your nonsense.
Who will that someone be? So far bigdog has demolished all
CT attempts to theorize away the WCR scientific conclusions.
After 50 years CTs can't even agree on one CT.
Nor should we, with so much evidence destroyed and/or covered up.
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2018-05-20 01:04:21 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you?
As far as my memory goes, this is the first time you have attempted to
get away with this excuse.
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By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose.
First, it was shown that the bullet never left the body of JFK, and so
never went on to Connally. Second, The tests of the MC type bullet showed
it to be very stable in the air, and not as prone to yaw as most bullets.
Third, so when it hit Connally it probably hadn't yawed much if at all.
Striking the rib ought to have left some serious damage given the test
bullet we can see in the sample WC photo.
Post by bigdog
The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Please don't be trying to guess what I think or like or dislike or
ignore. You haven't a clue, as your huge error rate proves. The bullet
found on a gurney is not the one that hit Connally. The bullet found on
the gurney might have been from anywhere, and later was not identified as
being the original bullet from the gurney. That bullet was pointy nosed,
and not round nosed like the CE399 bullet from the gurney. There is no
way to tell what bullet hit Connally and if it was an unstable bullet of a
different type, then it may well have tumbled in air before striking
Connally to make an elongated wound.
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
I never saw it. I'm interested in the facts, not the movie.
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
By me and others.
All three of you?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
I wasn't asking you. You have to come to understand that my comments
are not for you, since your position is rooted solidly in the silly WCR.
Then why do you respond to so many of my posts? For the benefit of others that may be reading and think you made a point, not knowing your high error rate.
Chris
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http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you?
As far as my memory goes, this is the first time you have attempted to
get away with this excuse.
Post by bigdog
By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose.
First, it was shown that the bullet never left the body of JFK, and so
never went on to Connally.
I suppose you expect me to buy that crap.
Post by mainframetech
Second, The tests of the MC type bullet showed
it to be very stable in the air, and not as prone to yaw as most bullets.
Yes it is stable in the air. When it passes through a human body it yaws.
The Haag's demonstrated that by showing the bullet passing through
ballistic gel.
Post by mainframetech
Third, so when it hit Connally it probably hadn't yawed much if at all.
Striking the rib ought to have left some serious damage given the test
bullet we can see in the sample WC photo.
The test bullet was fired directly into the wrist. CE399 had passed
through two men's torsos so there was considerably yawing before it struck
JBC's wrist.
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Post by bigdog
The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Please don't be trying to guess what I think or like or dislike or
ignore. You haven't a clue, as your huge error rate proves. The bullet
found on a gurney is not the one that hit Connally. The bullet found on
the gurney might have been from anywhere, and later was not identified as
being the original bullet from the gurney. That bullet was pointy nosed,
and not round nosed like the CE399 bullet from the gurney. There is no
way to tell what bullet hit Connally and if it was an unstable bullet of a
different type, then it may well have tumbled in air before striking
Connally to make an elongated wound.
More of your FUBAR figuring which is irrelevant.
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The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
I never saw it. I'm interested in the facts, not the movie.
You mean you dreamed up this crap on your own?
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http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you?
As far as my memory goes, this is the first time you have attempted to
get away with this excuse.
Post by bigdog
By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose.
First, it was shown that the bullet never left the body of JFK, and so
never went on to Connally.
I suppose you expect me to buy that crap.
Nope, none of my comments are for you. You're just a cog in the
machinery of getting the word out to open minded people. You are
committed to a failed belief for many years, which is slowly rotting into
the ground. Supported only by the faithful that believe everything their
government tells them, no matter how silly.
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Post by mainframetech
Second, The tests of the MC type bullet showed
it to be very stable in the air, and not as prone to yaw as most bullets.
Yes it is stable in the air. When it passes through a human body it yaws.
The Haag's demonstrated that by showing the bullet passing through
ballistic gel.
Post by mainframetech
Third, so when it hit Connally it probably hadn't yawed much if at all.
Striking the rib ought to have left some serious damage given the test
bullet we can see in the sample WC photo.
The test bullet was fired directly into the wrist. CE399 had passed
through two men's torsos so there was considerably yawing before it struck
JBC's wrist.
Ah, but not the rib, which is what I said.
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The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Please don't be trying to guess what I think or like or dislike or
ignore. You haven't a clue, as your huge error rate proves. The bullet
found on a gurney is not the one that hit Connally. The bullet found on
the gurney might have been from anywhere, and later was not identified as
being the original bullet from the gurney. That bullet was pointy nosed,
and not round nosed like the CE399 bullet from the gurney. There is no
way to tell what bullet hit Connally and if it was an unstable bullet of a
different type, then it may well have tumbled in air before striking
Connally to make an elongated wound.
More of your FUBAR figuring which is irrelevant.
Not much scientific thought there...:)
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The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
I never saw it. I'm interested in the facts, not the movie.
You mean you dreamed up this crap on your own?
Nope, no dreaming. Only the facts from the autopsy. As you've been
shown, but were unable to accept.

Chris
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http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Well, if it hit JBC's rib first, why didn't it look like the last
bullet in the photo, which hit a bone too? Except for the rib and wrist,
there was no other strike on anything solid. Hmm.
How many times do you need this explained to you?
As far as my memory goes, this is the first time you have attempted to
get away with this excuse.
Post by bigdog
By the time the bullet
hit JBC's rib it had yawed (tumbled) so instead of striking the rib with
the nose of the bullet, it struck the rib with the side of the bullet's
base which is why that portion of the bullet is flattened instead of the
nose.
First, it was shown that the bullet never left the body of JFK, and so
never went on to Connally.
I suppose you expect me to buy that crap.
Nope, none of my comments are for you. You're just a cog in the
machinery of getting the word out to open minded people. You are
committed to a failed belief for many years, which is slowly rotting into
the ground. Supported only by the faithful that believe everything their
government tells them, no matter how silly.
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Post by mainframetech
Second, The tests of the MC type bullet showed
it to be very stable in the air, and not as prone to yaw as most bullets.
Yes it is stable in the air. When it passes through a human body it yaws.
The Haag's demonstrated that by showing the bullet passing through
ballistic gel.
Post by mainframetech
Third, so when it hit Connally it probably hadn't yawed much if at all.
Striking the rib ought to have left some serious damage given the test
bullet we can see in the sample WC photo.
The test bullet was fired directly into the wrist. CE399 had passed
through two men's torsos so there was considerably yawing before it struck
JBC's wrist.
Ah, but not the rib, which is what I said.
It yawed before it hit the rib too. That's why the entrance wound on JBC's
back was elongated. Gee, I wonder what could have caused that bullet to
yaw before it entered his back. If only we could figure out what was
between Oswald and JBC when that shot was fired that caused that bullet to
yaw we'd have our answer.
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The Haag's experiments firing a Carcano bullet through ballistic gel
shows that the bullet invariable yaws upon exiting the block of get and
the storyboards set up to received the exiting bullet invariably show an
elongated bullet hole indicating they were hit by a bullet that had yawed.
This is the same kind of entry wound which JBC received in his hack just
below his right armpit. Of course you have no interest in such experiments
because you find the factoids far more appealing.
Please don't be trying to guess what I think or like or dislike or
ignore. You haven't a clue, as your huge error rate proves. The bullet
found on a gurney is not the one that hit Connally. The bullet found on
the gurney might have been from anywhere, and later was not identified as
being the original bullet from the gurney. That bullet was pointy nosed,
and not round nosed like the CE399 bullet from the gurney. There is no
way to tell what bullet hit Connally and if it was an unstable bullet of a
different type, then it may well have tumbled in air before striking
Connally to make an elongated wound.
More of your FUBAR figuring which is irrelevant.
Not much scientific thought there...:)
We certainly didn't get any from your analysis.
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The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
It's not there for you. It's there for anyone that didn't understand
that the SBT was phony.
That is a widely believed myth, thanks in large part to Oliver Stone's
shitty movie.
I never saw it. I'm interested in the facts, not the movie.
You mean you dreamed up this crap on your own?
Nope, no dreaming. Only the facts from the autopsy. As you've been
shown, but were unable to accept.
I would be embarrassed had I accepted any of your nonsense.
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
You just ASSuME all that because you need a SBT.
Remember when the Aussies tested it? Their bullet came out looking OK
because it did not hit their wrist simulation.
CE 399 could have hit Connally without going through JFK first.
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The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
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Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
The limo was being guarded. We have no photos of Jack Ruby near the limo.
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Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
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I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
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Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.

This "small group" seems to be multiplying.

Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.

Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.
This "small group" seems to be multiplying.
WRONG! Kellerman and Greer were always part of the plot in my
estimation, and I have always included them when I listed those I felt had
some responsibility. This silly business of trying to add to the numbers
and then complain that they keep growing is a standard LN complaint.
Part of the effort to cover up that it was not a 'lone nut' killing.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.
Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
The nonsense is coming from the WCR and the adherents that hug it to
their chests with deep love for a flawed and phony document.

Chris
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.
This "small group" seems to be multiplying.
WRONG! Kellerman and Greer were always part of the plot in my
estimation, and I have always included them when I listed those I felt had
some responsibility. This silly business of trying to add to the numbers
and then complain that they keep growing is a standard LN complaint.
Part of the effort to cover up that it was not a 'lone nut' killing.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.
Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
The nonsense is coming from the WCR and the adherents that hug it to
their chests with deep love for a flawed and phony document.
Chris
Of course. Or should I write OF COURSE. I know you conspiracy types like
to use all caps.

So the organizers of the conspiracy went to Kellermann and Greer and said,
"We're going to commit the greatest act of treason in US history; we're
going to commit endless crimes, murder the president and a police officer,
frame a person and cover it all up. And we're going to defile JFK's body
along the way. And you will help us."

And Kellermann and Greer - two amoral treasonous people - simply went
along.

That's how you view this and how you view people.

Frankly, I think you conspiracists are projecting your own ethical
standards onto others. You simply cannot understand how some people have
morals and principles.

But I could be wrong. Or should I write, I could be WRONG.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.
This "small group" seems to be multiplying.
WRONG! Kellerman and Greer were always part of the plot in my
estimation, and I have always included them when I listed those I felt had
some responsibility. This silly business of trying to add to the numbers
and then complain that they keep growing is a standard LN complaint.
Part of the effort to cover up that it was not a 'lone nut' killing.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.
Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
The nonsense is coming from the WCR and the adherents that hug it to
their chests with deep love for a flawed and phony document.
Chris
Of course. Or should I write OF COURSE. I know you conspiracy types like
to use all caps.
WRONG! Note that this is being written by a proud CT without all caps.
Caps are used only to accentuate certain words to give more meaning. And
if you check, you'll finds that ALL of the CTs here currently do not use
ALL CAPS.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
So the organizers of the conspiracy went to Kellermann and Greer and said,
"We're going to commit the greatest act of treason in US history; we're
going to commit endless crimes, murder the president and a police officer,
frame a person and cover it all up. And we're going to defile JFK's body
along the way. And you will help us."
And Kellermann and Greer - two amoral treasonous people - simply went
along.
That's how you view this and how you view people.
That's a stupid recitation of false information. I hope no newbies
read it and get the wrong impression. Kellerman and Greer, if guilty,
were recruited the same as most of the people in the plot. They displayed
their feelings and so were seen and asked to join the plot. The real
leaders of the plot had more than just feelings toward JFK, they needed
him out of the way for their other purposes.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Frankly, I think you conspiracists are projecting your own ethical
standards onto others. You simply cannot understand how some people have
morals and principles.
But I could be wrong. Or should I write, I could be WRONG.
Correct, you're WRONG! CTs also have feelings about murder as well as
morals and ethics. Seeing a murder get covered up and the guilty
protected and held blameless are moral and ethical crimes, and should be
brought out into the light, investigated, and prosecuted.

Chris
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.
This "small group" seems to be multiplying.
WRONG! Kellerman and Greer were always part of the plot in my
estimation, and I have always included them when I listed those I felt had
some responsibility. This silly business of trying to add to the numbers
and then complain that they keep growing is a standard LN complaint.
Part of the effort to cover up that it was not a 'lone nut' killing.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.
Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
The nonsense is coming from the WCR and the adherents that hug it to
their chests with deep love for a flawed and phony document.
Chris
Of course. Or should I write OF COURSE. I know you conspiracy types like
to use all caps.
WRONG! Note that this is being written by a proud CT without all caps.
Caps are used only to accentuate certain words to give more meaning. And
if you check, you'll finds that ALL of the CTs here currently do not use
ALL CAPS.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
So the organizers of the conspiracy went to Kellermann and Greer and said,
"We're going to commit the greatest act of treason in US history; we're
going to commit endless crimes, murder the president and a police officer,
frame a person and cover it all up. And we're going to defile JFK's body
along the way. And you will help us."
And Kellermann and Greer - two amoral treasonous people - simply went
along.
That's how you view this and how you view people.
That's a stupid recitation of false information. I hope no newbies
read it and get the wrong impression. Kellerman and Greer, if guilty,
I hope no newbies believe any of Chris's crap.
Post by mainframetech
were recruited the same as most of the people in the plot. They displayed
their feelings and so were seen and asked to join the plot. The real
leaders of the plot had more than just feelings toward JFK, they needed
him out of the way for their other purposes.
Seriously, dude? Could you make up anything sillier? This crap is worse
than the average Anthony Anthony post.
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Frankly, I think you conspiracists are projecting your own ethical
standards onto others. You simply cannot understand how some people have
morals and principles.
But I could be wrong. Or should I write, I could be WRONG.
Correct, you're WRONG! CTs also have feelings about murder as well as
morals and ethics. Seeing a murder get covered up and the guilty
protected and held blameless are moral and ethical crimes, and should be
brought out into the light, investigated, and prosecuted.
Chris
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
Post by mainframetech
The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
Post by mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.
This "small group" seems to be multiplying.
WRONG! Kellerman and Greer were always part of the plot in my
estimation, and I have always included them when I listed those I felt had
some responsibility. This silly business of trying to add to the numbers
and then complain that they keep growing is a standard LN complaint.
Part of the effort to cover up that it was not a 'lone nut' killing.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.
Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
The nonsense is coming from the WCR and the adherents that hug it to
their chests with deep love for a flawed and phony document.
Chris
Of course. Or should I write OF COURSE. I know you conspiracy types like
to use all caps.
WRONG! Note that this is being written by a proud CT without all caps.
Caps are used only to accentuate certain words to give more meaning. And
if you check, you'll finds that ALL of the CTs here currently do not use
ALL CAPS.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
So the organizers of the conspiracy went to Kellermann and Greer and said,
"We're going to commit the greatest act of treason in US history; we're
going to commit endless crimes, murder the president and a police officer,
frame a person and cover it all up. And we're going to defile JFK's body
along the way. And you will help us."
And Kellermann and Greer - two amoral treasonous people - simply went
along.
That's how you view this and how you view people.
That's a stupid recitation of false information. I hope no newbies
read it and get the wrong impression. Kellerman and Greer, if guilty,
were recruited the same as most of the people in the plot. They displayed
their feelings and so were seen and asked to join the plot. The real
leaders of the plot had more than just feelings toward JFK, they needed
him out of the way for their other purposes.
The good old "they".
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Frankly, I think you conspiracists are projecting your own ethical
standards onto others. You simply cannot understand how some people have
morals and principles.
But I could be wrong. Or should I write, I could be WRONG.
Correct, you're WRONG! CTs also have feelings about murder as well as
morals and ethics. Seeing a murder get covered up and the guilty
protected and held blameless are moral and ethical crimes, and should be
brought out into the light, investigated, and prosecuted.
After 54 years, what do you have to show for your efforts?
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
But it DOES have damage. It's flattened in cross section and DOES NOT look
exactly like a test bullet. If it's a fake it's been though Oswald's
Carcano, THEN modified in an extremely subtle and clever way.
http://grassyknoll.us/sites/default/files/images/Bullets/Test%20Bullets.jpg
The first bullet (CE399) was supposedly the gurney bullet. It was
indeed fired through the MC rifle found on the 6th floor. Next to it are
2 shots of a test bullet (CE572). Those 2 bullets have a slight bend in
the middle, and a slight flattening too, and they both have a bit of
material missing from the tail end. The bullet at the right end was fired
into a human cadaver wrist.
That's what a bullet looks like when fired directly into a human wrist
bone. CE399 didn't do that. It passed through JFK's and JBC's torso first,
being slowed in the process which caused it to yaw so that it struck JBC's
wrist at the base. That's why the base is flattened and not the nose.
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The morning after the shooting of JFK, the FBI bullet custodian took
the MC rifle and performed some tests on it, and fired over 65 bullets
through the MC rifle. This made a nice stock of bullets fired through the
MC rifle into various materials. When the public expressed some doubts
about the bullet (CE399) because of the small amount of damage it had
after causing 7 wounds in 2 men including 2 bone strikes, the CE399 bullet
was taken out to be identified by 4 men that had handled that bullet the
day of the murder. They all refused to identify the bullet, and one of
them stated that the bullet he was shown was round nosed, and the bullet
from the murder was pointy nosed.
The bullet (CE399) was replaced by a test bullet that was fired through
the MC rifle to assure that Oswald would be implicated in the shooting.
The first bullet that the 4 men had handled was a placeholder for the
replacement that was made by leaving a pointy nosed bullet on the gurney.
The bullet custodian did the replacement. He was also responsible for the
replacement of the Walker bullet, which had the exact same problem of not
being identified by a person that handled the original bullet.
Repeating this nonsense hundreds of times doesn't make it or you more
credible.
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Personally I'm considering the genius of the person who left a bullet on
one of two gurneys that carried people up to surgery the day Connally went
up there, and didn't just toss it into the limo when nobody was looking.
Considering all the various things conspiracy theorists think was done
with the limo by various people up to no good, how come somebody couldn't
just drop a bullet in while cleaning? Hmm?
If someone was caught doing that, the plot would be uncovered and that
was the critical part of the plot. The scenario if the 'lone nut' killer.
If an extra bullet was found in the limo, what would be thought of it?
Remember that it was almost undamaged (se photo above). If it was found
at the hospital on a gurney in the hallway, it could easily be taken as
having fallen out of a body.
Post by mainframetech
I believe you think Kellerman and Greer were in on the plot. Do you think
they would have had trouble planting a Carcano bullet in the limo? Too
much work for one day, which they were going to have to end shuffling
shipping trays, caskets, brains, and whatnot. Snacks for the AF-1 kitchen.
Kellerman and Greer are both suspected of being in on the plot.
By you.
Post by mainframetech
Kellerman because of the huge fight he made out of stealing the body and
getting it to Washington, and Greer for hitting the brakes on the limo
when the final shot killed JFK. With Kellerman, when he realized there
was someone shooting at the limo, he should have jumped up and gotten to
the back and covered JFK, but he stayed put. Clint Hill had to come from
the following car to protect the POTUS and Jackie.
If there is anything above that needs further detail, let me know.
That won't be necessary. Or wanted.
We need to add Kellerman and Greer to the list of those involved.
This "small group" seems to be multiplying.
WRONG! Kellerman and Greer were always part of the plot in my
estimation, and I have always included them when I listed those I felt had
some responsibility. This silly business of trying to add to the numbers
and then complain that they keep growing is a standard LN complaint.
Part of the effort to cover up that it was not a 'lone nut' killing.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Funny how that always happens when we ask for details of how "they" pulled
this off.
Funny as in: "Does this nonsense ever end?'
The nonsense is coming from the WCR and the adherents that hug it to
their chests with deep love for a flawed and phony document.
Chris
Of course. Or should I write OF COURSE. I know you conspiracy types like
to use all caps.
So the organizers of the conspiracy went to Kellermann and Greer and said,
"We're going to commit the greatest act of treason in US history; we're
going to commit endless crimes, murder the president and a police officer,
frame a person and cover it all up. And we're going to defile JFK's body
along the way. And you will help us."
And Kellermann and Greer - two amoral treasonous people - simply went
along.
I don't believe in that theory either, but you are pretending to be naive.
Many people go along for the good of the country. Look at how many people
in and out of the CIA went along with their conspiracies.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
That's how you view this and how you view people.
Frankly, I think you conspiracists are projecting your own ethical
standards onto others. You simply cannot understand how some people have
morals and principles.
Thanks Pee-Wee Herman.

So you think thatthey have to have morals and principles to torture
babies?
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But I could be wrong. Or should I write, I could be WRONG.
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
How can one discuss the evidence if one completely ignores the facts
presented by the opposition? I've presented facts and you refuse to
discuss them, and continue to act like because YOU think something makes
sense, that I should see what you see. Well, I don't see it the way you
do. I show you facts about plane parts shown INSIDE the outer ring of the
Pentagon (where they cannot possibly be) and you not only ignore it, but
also completely forget that I showed you plane parts INSIDE the outer ring
of offices. It was your own photo that you showed, and when I proved that
it was phony, you ignored it, and proceeded to say I was at fault. Just
like now.
Try to realize that you cannot have a decent argument when you THINK
something is so. That's your opinion speaking, which in an argument
doesn't count for a hill of beans. Try logic, facts, evidence. When
you're shown a photo of Shanksville,PA where there is absolutely NOTHING
at the crash site, try and argue how that could be, not ignore it and find
some photo of plane parts from somewhere and hope it was from the same
site and was from reasonably close to the time of the crash, so that there
isn't a chance that someone placed the part there later and took a photo.
You can't be so locked into your opinions that you think saying it
makes a good argument, because it doesn't. And don't let anyone force
your opinions by saying the same thing over and over, making you believe
it just from the constant repetition. All these facts we have disputed
have been waved around for years and have been said over and over, so that
they become extremely strong opinions, and are believed.
An example is that many have said over and over that LHO killed JFK,
yet the evidence doesn't guarantee that at all. No trustworthy person was
able to put the MC rifle into the hands of Oswald at the window, and no
trustworthy person was able to show that he fired on the motorcade, or
that any MC type bullet hit or hurt anyone. Of course, you say, well of
course LHO killed JFK....it's obvious! And you go on your way thinking
'well, I showed him'.
I bet you'll even say that the killing bullet was found on the gurney
at the hospital, and you'll think that proves something. Actually, it
Are you claiming that CE 399 was the kiilling shot? So JFK was already
dead BEFORE the head shot? How could he speak if he was already dead?
It's a rule that dead people can NOT speak.
Post by mainframetech
proves little to do with who killed who. It might show that someone is
running around placing bullets on gurneys though. Especially if the
bullet has hardly any damage and looks exactly like a test bullet.
The problem is knowing how many bullets to plant. Remember when Lester
planted one on the grassy knoll? That shot would make no sense.
Post by mainframetech
Now I've said all that with no insult to anyone, and no sarcasm
either. Are you able to act in the same vein?
Chris
Jason Burke
2018-05-11 03:01:48 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
He thinks the lone assassin believers have never presented facts or proof.
We show him the evidence and he dismisses it as fake. Z film is fake,
autopsy is fake, photos are fake....an endless series of fake, fake, fake.
It's the same with the Pentagon attack. He's shown photos of parts of the
airplane outside the building and he dismisses them as faked. He's shown
articles of the DNA testing of the body parts to identify the victims and
he says they're faked.
How can one discuss the evidence if one side simply dismisses it all as
fake? It's useless.
It's all they have.
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2018-05-10 18:56:59 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
There was a lot to learn, but I'll bet you didn't even try, since
you're sure you have all the answers.

Chris
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2018-05-11 17:56:54 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So sad. The poor LNs have no facts or proof of anything so they have
to devolve to typical ad hominem insults. Ah well.
If you had been bothering to follow this thread, you would know I have
pointed out blatant factual errors made by the teachers of this course.
There was a lot to learn, but I'll bet you didn't even try, since
you're sure you have all the answers.
All? Not quite? Just most of them. The important ones. It was Oswald with
the Carcano from the TSBD. The WC established that with lots of evidence.
We don't know the motive. Probably never will. Don't need the motive to
know it was Oswald with the Carcano from the TSBD.

I also know that in the almost 54 years since the WC published their
findings, no one has presented any credible evidence which challenges that
core finding or that anyone other than Oswald was involved in the
assassination. Just a few days ago I started a thread to give the
conspiracy hobbyists both a challenge and an opportunity to present the
best evidence they had that someone other than Oswald was involved. So far
all have I gotten was Marsh saying YOU, YOU, YOU and Don Willis pointing
out what he thinks are anomalies in the DPD handling of the evidence but
no actual evidence of anyone else's involvement. As of yet, you haven't
weighed in, at least nothing has posted yet. Feel fry to take you best
shot at it.
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2018-05-19 14:46:15 UTC
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All? Not quite? Just most of them. The important ones. It was Oswald with
the Carcano from the TSBD.
Yep. All you CTs, get a Clue.
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2018-05-08 23:48:20 UTC
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https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
Wait until he gets to the section that has the pictures.
He's going to see missiles flying into JFK's forehead/temple.
Real missiles not bullets.
So, you don't believe the Bethesda receipt that says "Missle"?


https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=333


BTW, don't forget Cutler's flechette theory for the throat wound.
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2018-05-08 17:27:28 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
You don't think I was trying to get there, do you? It's for the
suckers!

Chris
Jason Burke
2018-05-08 23:48:39 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
You don't think I was trying to get there, do you? It's for the
suckers!
Yeah. This dude should be taken seriously...
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Chris
Ace Kefford
2018-05-08 23:39:58 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
If the dot is above, Oswald shot at the Gov.
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2018-05-10 18:53:57 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Through nothing but OPINION you have just dismissed a good idea in
teaching, and many facts in the JFK case.
Chris
Did you get to page 2 of the Warren Report yet?
I think you drew blood with that one.
If the dot is above, Oswald shot at the Gov.
Is there a group that has that theory or just a few unconnected people?
BOZ
2018-05-06 19:16:44 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Can you invite those idiots to this forum? It would be fun to debate such
promoters of rubbish.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-07 16:15:31 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Can you invite those idiots to this forum? It would be fun to debate such
promoters of rubbish.
I actually lectured Ken Rahn's class one time and debated with one of
his WC defenders.
I gave them all a simple test of perception.
I drew a horizontal line on the chalkboard and then drew a dot ABOVE
that line. I asked for a show of hands for how many in the class thought
the dot was above the line. All but one raised their hands. The WC
defender did not.



.
__________
BOZ
2018-05-12 14:20:12 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Can you invite those idiots to this forum? It would be fun to debate such
promoters of rubbish.
I actually lectured Ken Rahn's class one time and debated with one of
his WC defenders.
I gave them all a simple test of perception.
I drew a horizontal line on the chalkboard and then drew a dot ABOVE
that line. I asked for a show of hands for how many in the class thought
the dot was above the line. All but one raised their hands. The WC
defender did not.
.
__________
THE WC DEFENDER WAS STEVIE WONDER
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-13 19:38:02 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Can you invite those idiots to this forum? It would be fun to debate such
promoters of rubbish.
I actually lectured Ken Rahn's class one time and debated with one of
his WC defenders.
I gave them all a simple test of perception.
I drew a horizontal line on the chalkboard and then drew a dot ABOVE
that line. I asked for a show of hands for how many in the class thought
the dot was above the line. All but one raised their hands. The WC
defender did not.
.
__________
THE WC DEFENDER WAS STEVIE WONDER
I don't know whether that was supposed to be racist or making fun of
disabilities. But the WC defender was a woman and we took her out to
lunch. Kinda cute too.
mainframetech
2018-05-16 02:23:23 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Can you invite those idiots to this forum? It would be fun to debate such
promoters of rubbish.
I actually lectured Ken Rahn's class one time and debated with one of
his WC defenders.
I gave them all a simple test of perception.
I drew a horizontal line on the chalkboard and then drew a dot ABOVE
that line. I asked for a show of hands for how many in the class thought
the dot was above the line. All but one raised their hands. The WC
defender did not.
No doubt the defender had read the WCR and figured that if it came
from an LN, it couldn't be trusted...:)

Chris
claviger
2018-05-10 19:12:32 UTC
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Just the blatant misstatement of facts is enough to disqualify these
people without even getting into their FUBAR analysis.
The name of the course should be JFK Mythology 101.
Forensic pathologist: Kennedy assassination was the overthrow of the
government (with video)

http://www.dailytribune.com/article/dt/20131030/NEWS/131029470
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