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Anthony Marsh
2018-05-28 20:14:46 UTC
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In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html

That is exactly what the trolls do here to defend the WC.
John McAdams
2018-05-28 20:16:05 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.

But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.

And they whine about it.

.John
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OHLeeRedux
2018-05-29 00:41:59 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
Sounds very much like someone here.
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Anthony Marsh
2018-05-29 19:45:55 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
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John McAdams
2018-05-29 19:56:58 UTC
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On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
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Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.

You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.

Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.

The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).

He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.

.John
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Anthony Marsh
2018-05-30 19:45:07 UTC
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On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Just because you defend all of Trump's lies does not prove that he never
lies.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
But Trump does not prove that they lied. He just attacks them. Nixon did
the same thing. That's what guity politicians do.
Post by John McAdams
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Garbage. I was not a hippy.
Post by John McAdams
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
Never, Pee-Wee Herman.
Post by John McAdams
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
Brilliant? Not the correct word. Devious.
Post by John McAdams
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Such as what? They document the claims and show me saying those lies.
So, how's your wall coming?
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OHLeeRedux
2018-05-31 23:02:16 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Just because you defend all of Trump's lies does not prove that he never
lies.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
But Trump does not prove that they lied. He just attacks them. Nixon did
the same thing. That's what guity politicians do.
Post by John McAdams
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Garbage. I was not a hippy.
Post by John McAdams
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
Never, Pee-Wee Herman.
Did anyone else notice how Anthony invokes Pee-Wee Herman whenever he is
incapable of responding intelligently (which is 99% of the time)?


Strange. Very strange, indeed.


But we really should be open-minded about alternative lifestyles. So
difficult being PC sometimes.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-01 20:38:01 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Just because you defend all of Trump's lies does not prove that he never
lies.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
But Trump does not prove that they lied. He just attacks them. Nixon did
the same thing. That's what guity politicians do.
Post by John McAdams
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Garbage. I was not a hippy.
Post by John McAdams
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
Never, Pee-Wee Herman.
Did anyone else notice how Anthony invokes Pee-Wee Herman whenever he is
incapable of responding intelligently (which is 99% of the time)?
Strange. Very strange, indeed.
But we really should be open-minded about alternative lifestyles. So
difficult being PC sometimes.
I'd rather be PC than MAC.
bigdog
2018-06-06 19:32:49 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Just because you defend all of Trump's lies does not prove that he never
lies.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
But Trump does not prove that they lied. He just attacks them. Nixon did
the same thing. That's what guity politicians do.
Post by John McAdams
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Garbage. I was not a hippy.
Post by John McAdams
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
Never, Pee-Wee Herman.
Did anyone else notice how Anthony invokes Pee-Wee Herman whenever he is
incapable of responding intelligently (which is 99% of the time)?
Strange. Very strange, indeed.
But we really should be open-minded about alternative lifestyles. So
difficult being PC sometimes.
99% of the time I ignore his ramblings. The other 1% of the time I get a
good laugh from them.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-07 01:21:01 UTC
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Post by OHLeeRedux
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Just because you defend all of Trump's lies does not prove that he never
lies.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
But Trump does not prove that they lied. He just attacks them. Nixon did
the same thing. That's what guity politicians do.
Post by John McAdams
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Garbage. I was not a hippy.
Post by John McAdams
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
Never, Pee-Wee Herman.
Did anyone else notice how Anthony invokes Pee-Wee Herman whenever he is
incapable of responding intelligently (which is 99% of the time)?
Strange. Very strange, indeed.
But we really should be open-minded about alternative lifestyles. So
difficult being PC sometimes.
99% of the time I ignore his ramblings. The other 1% of the time I get a
good laugh from them.
Then why do you attack me? You think if you attack me you automatically win.
n***@gmail.com
2018-06-05 22:16:37 UTC
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On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
bigdog
2018-06-06 19:33:53 UTC
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On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).

In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-07 01:20:46 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Trump knows the writing is on the wall. That's why he's issuing so many
pardons. Presidents do that when they are about to leave office. Did Trump
do it on the first day? Did Obama do it on his first day? Did Nixon do it
on his first day?
Mark
2018-06-08 00:39:03 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Thanks. We'll see what happens, but like you I'm kinda looking forward to
seeing the media faces on that Tuesday night in November 2020. The next
morning, Wednesday, should be interesting too. Mark
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2018-06-09 14:14:01 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Thanks. We'll see what happens, but like you I'm kinda looking forward to
seeing the media faces on that Tuesday night in November 2020. The next
morning, Wednesday, should be interesting too. Mark
If you ever need a good laugh, YouTube is filled with election night
coverage from CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX, PBS as well as a number of
internet casts.

Naturally I couldn't watch everyone's coverage so it's nice to be able to
see what I missed. You can get the entire night (commercial free) or you
can get highlights. It's quite humorous to watch them start the evening
smug and confident they would be coronating Hillary, then watch them
descend into concern, fear, and ultimately devastation. One of my
favorites is an internet podcast called The Young Turks. Their meltdown is
particularly humorous. Yes, a repeat of such a night would be must see TV.
Mark
2018-06-12 02:39:02 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Hell hath no hatred like a leftwing journalist scorned.

Mark
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2018-06-12 21:27:52 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Hell hath no hatred like a leftwing journalist scorned.
Bill Maher betrayed the liberal mindset when he openly hoped we would have
a recession so Trump would get voted out of office in 2020. I would bet
most liberals think that even if they won't say it. Screw all those people
who are trying to care for their families who would be out of jobs. The
liberal agenda is more important.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-13 14:42:43 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Hell hath no hatred like a leftwing journalist scorned.
Bill Maher betrayed the liberal mindset when he openly hoped we would have
a recession so Trump would get voted out of office in 2020. I would bet
most liberals think that even if they won't say it. Screw all those people
who are trying to care for their families who would be out of jobs. The
liberal agenda is more important.
I suspect he was being facetious. Why would a recession matter to Trump
as long as he is rich?

Trump supporters don't care what he does as long as he is not black.
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2018-06-17 20:29:50 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
Here, here!!! (or is it hear, hear!!!).
In any case, well said. What the media doesn't realize is they are
actually driving a lot of people who weren't initially in his camp to his
side because their "reporting" has been so blatantly one sided and
negative. Count me among those people and I am far from alone. I've talked
to a number of people I know who either were either not Trump supporters
or very lukewarm in their support of him who have been so appalled by the
non-stop attacks that it is causing a well deserved backlash against the
media. I intend to vote for Trump in 2020 if for no other reason than most
of the media despises him and I want to see them get pissed off all over
again. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Hell hath no hatred like a leftwing journalist scorned.
Bill Maher betrayed the liberal mindset when he openly hoped we would have
a recession so Trump would get voted out of office in 2020. I would bet
most liberals think that even if they won't say it. Screw all those people
who are trying to care for their families who would be out of jobs. The
liberal agenda is more important.
I suspect he was being facetious. Why would a recession matter to Trump
as long as he is rich?
Trump supporters don't care what he does as long as he is not black.
BEN CARSON IS AN OK DOCTOR. WHAT RECESSION? LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN 18
YEARS

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2018-06-07 01:12:37 UTC
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On 29 May 2018 15:45:53 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
CNN and MSNBC are nothing but pep rallies for Liberal candidates. No
effort whatsoever to be a professional news source. Having way too much
fun making up rumors and stories, just like in high school. Nothing but
no-news-all-opinion puffers and puffettes continuously blowing
smokescreens for all Liberal politicians and damage control when they
screw up, which means they are basically guaranteed a full-time job. All
these toadies really do is imitate chirping frogs in a muddy swamp.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-08 00:54:08 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
False. No one ASSuMEs that. And even if the media are not perfect, the
very act of constantly attacking them is wrong and indicates guilt.
How is that? Since they continually lie about Trump, attacking them
is natural.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
They PROVE how many times Trump has lied. That doesn't matter to you.
You will defend him no matter what he does.
Even if he shoots and kills 5 babies on 5th Avenue.
The media has often lied about Trump.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/12/fake-news-about-donald-trump-compliation.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/07/more-anti-trump-media-blunders.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/fake-news-from-anti-trump-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-fake-news-and-mainstream-media.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2017/03/finally-new-york-times-cares-about-anti.html
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And they whine about it.
Yeah, just like they whined about Nixon.
It is their JOB.
And it's the President's job to call out lies.
You, Tony, are a cartoon caricature of a 60s leftist.
Hating Trump, you defend, knee jerk fashion, anybody who is
anti-Trump.
The simple fact is that Trump, crude as he is, has used a brilliant
strategy for discrediting the media (although it would never occur to
him that it's working this way).
He attacks the media. They go bonkers, and ditch all journalistic
standards. They publish provably false stuff, seeming to vindicate
Trump.
Agreed. Instead of rising above it and reporting on his presidency
fairly, the media has shown itself to be a petulant, unprofessional
leftwing gang that can't get over itself. Probably without even
considering the consequences of their actions. About half of America now
sees them for what they are. Where is is the press going from here? Seems
like they've put themselves in an awful fix and they don't seem to care.
Mark
CNN and MSNBC are nothing but pep rallies for Liberal candidates. No
CNN didn't used to be. But now Trump only has Fox News and some days
even THEY can't take the lies any more.
Post by claviger
effort whatsoever to be a professional news source. Having way too much
fun making up rumors and stories, just like in high school. Nothing but
no-news-all-opinion puffers and puffettes continuously blowing
smokescreens for all Liberal politicians and damage control when they
screw up, which means they are basically guaranteed a full-time job. All
these toadies really do is imitate chirping frogs in a muddy swamp.
mainframetech
2018-05-30 19:46:56 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
It might be useful to remember that Trump started calling the press
names. He has a way of bringing grief down on himself. Probably to get
more attention which he lacked as a child.

Chris
bigdog
2018-06-06 15:07:44 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
It might be useful to remember that Trump started calling the press
names.
As if they have been the least bit respectful towards him.
Post by mainframetech
He has a way of bringing grief down on himself. Probably to get
more attention which he lacked as a child.
If Trump were to charge into a burning school and personally rescue dozens
of black and Hispanic children, the media would find a way to put a
negative spin on it. The headline would probably be, "TRUMP DOESN'T RESCUE
NATIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN FROM BURNING SCHOOL". It wouldn't matter if there
were no Native American children in the burning school. They are going to
hate him no matter what he does because he denied their queen her rightful
place on the throne and they will never forgive him for that. I feel their
pain and I relish every bit of it. Their non-stop whining is music to my
ears. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but if he runs for reelection, I
will vote for him in 2020 just to spite those whiny losers and double down
on their grief.
Anthony Marsh
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Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
It might be useful to remember that Trump started calling the press
names.
As if they have been the least bit respectful towards him.
Post by mainframetech
He has a way of bringing grief down on himself. Probably to get
more attention which he lacked as a child.
If Trump were to charge into a burning school and personally rescue dozens
of black and Hispanic children, the media would find a way to put a
negative spin on it. The headline would probably be, "TRUMP DOESN'T RESCUE
NATIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN FROM BURNING SCHOOL". It wouldn't matter if there
were no Native American children in the burning school. They are going to
hate him no matter what he does because he denied their queen her rightful
place on the throne and they will never forgive him for that. I feel their
pain and I relish every bit of it. Their non-stop whining is music to my
ears. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but if he runs for reelection, I
will vote for him in 2020 just to spite those whiny losers and double down
on their grief.
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
claviger
2018-06-08 00:53:02 UTC
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Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-09 14:11:38 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
claviger
2018-06-10 17:59:20 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
I'm a Middle Class guy, not a snobby condescending elitist like you.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes,
but the majority of the voters voted against him.
The system in place since the beginning of the Republic. You wouldn't
be complaining if any of your Leftwing candidates won the same way.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-11 14:18:02 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
I'm a Middle Class guy, not a snobby condescending elitist like you.
Moi? Are you joking? You have more money than me so how can I be an
elitist. Prove that you are a middle class guy. Tell us your income.
I get a Social Security check for %781 each month so I'm too poor to
even be able to pay taxes. WHen I worked I was always lower class.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes,
but the majority of the voters voted against him.
The system in place since the beginning of the Republic. You wouldn't
be complaining if any of your Leftwing candidates won the same way.
I complained when LBJ won by stuffing the ballots.

Why do you never mention Kennedy paying off some hobo with the same name
as his opponent to siphon off just enough votes?
Or Nixon loosing to JFK by a whisker because of Daley tampering with the
ballots? Did the Constitution see that coming?
Gerrymandering was invented here.

I like your idea that some leftwing candidate did win the same way. Can
you show me some examples?
No. You never have any facts, only bluster.
How about winning with a minority because some third-party candidate
siphons off just enough votes?
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It has become a widely believed myth that Dick Daley stole the election
for JFK in 1960 through voter fraud. While I don't doubt the Daley machine
could manufacture votes in Cook County just as the Republicans could do so
in neighboring Lake County, JFK would have won the election even if Nixon
had carried Illinois. In the wee hours of the morning there were still
three big states up for grabs, Illinois, Missouri, and Texas. Nixon would
have needed 2 of the 3 to win the election. He lost all three. What is
interesting is what would have happened if Nixon had won Missouri and one
of the other two. 14 unpledged electors in Mississippi and Alabama and one
faithless elector in Oklahoma voted for Senator Byrd. Would they have done
that if their votes had meant something. Who knows but it is quite
possible the House could have decided the winner of the Presidency in 1960
had Illinois been won by Nixon.
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It has become a widely believed myth that Dick Daley stole the election
for JFK in 1960 through voter fraud. While I don't doubt the Daley machine
could manufacture votes in Cook County just as the Republicans could do so
in neighboring Lake County, JFK would have won the election even if Nixon
had carried Illinois. In the wee hours of the morning there were still
three big states up for grabs, Illinois, Missouri, and Texas. Nixon would
have needed 2 of the 3 to win the election. He lost all three. What is
interesting is what would have happened if Nixon had won Missouri and one
of the other two. 14 unpledged electors in Mississippi and Alabama and one
faithless elector in Oklahoma voted for Senator Byrd. Would they have done
that if their votes had meant something. Who knows but it is quite
possible the House could have decided the winner of the Presidency in 1960
had Illinois been won by Nixon.
Nixon wanted to contest the vote, but Eisenhower talked him out of it.

Was Nixon Robbed?
The legend of the stolen 1960 presidential election.
By David Greenberg
John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon

"You gotta swallow this one," says a Republican hack in Oliver Stone's
Nixon, referring to the 1960 election, in which John F. Kennedy prevailed.
"They stole it fair and square."

That Richard Nixon was cheated out of the presidency in 1960 has become
almost an accepted fact. You've probably heard the allegations: Kennedy's
operatives fixed the tallies in Texas and Illinois, giving him those
states' 51 electoral votes and a majority in the Electoral College.
Fearing that to question the results would harm the country, Nixon checked
his pride and declined to mount a challenge.

The story is rich in irony: The much-hated Nixon, later driven from the
presidency for cheating in an election, puts country before personal gain.
The beloved Kennedy, waltzing through life, pulls off the political crime
of the century. Nixon's defenders like the story because it diminishes
Watergate. His detractors like it since it allows them to appear less than
knee-jerk???magnanimously crediting Nixon with noble behavior while
eluding charges of Kennedy worship.

Ironic, yes. But true?

The race was indeed close???the closest of the century. Kennedy received
only 113,000 votes more than Nixon out of the 68 million ballots cast. His
303-219 electoral-vote margin obscured the fact that many states besides
Texas and Illinois could have gone either way. California's 32 electoral
votes, for example, originally fell into Kennedy's column, but Nixon
claimed them on Nov. 17 after absentee ballots were added.

Even before Election Day, rumors circulated about fraud, especially in
Chicago, where Mayor Richard Daley's machine was known for delivering
whopping Democratic tallies by fair means and foul. When it became clear
how narrowly Nixon lost, outraged Republicans grew convinced that cheating
had tipped the election and lobbied for an investigation.

Nixon always insisted that others, including President Eisenhower,
encouraged him to dispute the outcome but that he refused. A challenge, he
told others, would cause a "constitutional crisis," hurt America in the
eyes of the world, and "tear the country apart." Besides, he added,
pursuing the claims would mean "charges of 'sore loser' would follow me
through history and remove any possibility of a further political career."

Classic Nixon: "Others" urge him to follow a less admirable course, but he
spurns their advice for the high road. (William Safire once noted that he
always used to tell Nixon to take the easy path so that Nixon could say in
his speeches, "Others will say we should take the easy course, but ???")
Apart from the suspect neatness of this account, however, there are
reasons to doubt its veracity.

First, Eisenhower quickly withdrew his support for a challenge, making it
hard for Nixon to go forward. According to Nixon's friend Ralph De
Toledano, a conservative journalist, Nixon knew Ike's position yet claimed
anyway that he, not the president, was the one advocating restraint. "This
was the first time I ever caught Nixon in a lie," Toledano recalled.

More to the point, while Nixon publicly pooh-poohed a challenge, his
allies did dispute the results???aggressively. The New York Herald
Tribune's Earl Mazo, a friend and biographer of Nixon's, recounted a
dozen-odd fishy incidents alleged by Republicans in Illinois and Texas.
Largely due to Mazo's reporting, the charges gained wide acceptance.

But it wasn't just Mazo who made a stink. The press went into a brief
frenzy in the weeks after the election. Most important, the Republican
Party made a veritable crusade of undoing the results. Even if they
ultimately failed, party leaders figured, they could taint Kennedy's
victory, claim he had no mandate for his agenda, galvanize the rank and
file, and have a winning issue for upcoming elections.

Three days after the election, party Chairman Sen. Thruston Morton
launched bids for recounts and investigations in 11 states???an action
that Democratic Sen. Henry Jackson attacked as a "fishing expedition."
Eight days later, close Nixon aides, including Bob Finch and Len Hall,
sent agents to conduct "field checks" in eight of those states. Peter
Flanigan, another aide, encouraged the creation of a Nixon Recount
Committee in Chicago. All the while, everyone claimed that Nixon knew
nothing of these efforts???an implausible assertion that could only have
been designed to help Nixon dodge the dreaded "sore loser" label.

The Republicans pressed their case doggedly. They succeeded in obtaining
recounts, empanelling grand juries, and involving U.S. attorneys and the
FBI. Appeals were heard, claims evaluated, evidence weighed. The New York
Times considered the charges in a Nov. 26 editorial. (Its bold verdict:
"It is now imperative that the results in each state be definitively
settled by the time the electoral college meets.")

The results of it all were meager.

New Jersey was typical. The GOP obtained court orders for recounts in five
counties, but by Dec. 1 the state Republican committee conceded that the
recounts had failed to uncover any significant discrepancies, and they
halted the process. Kennedy was certified the state's official winner by
22,091 votes. Other states' recount bids and investigations similarly
petered out.

Texas and Illinois, the two largest states under dispute, witnessed the
nastiest fights. In Texas, where Kennedy won the 24 electoral votes by a
margin of 46,000 ballots, the GOP took to the courts. But its suits were
thrown out by a federal judge who claimed he had no jurisdiction. In
Illinois, the appeal was pursued more vigorously, maybe because the
electoral take was higher (27) and Kennedy's margin slimmer (9,000 votes).
Charges focused on Cook County (specifically Chicago) where Kennedy had
won by a suspiciously overwhelming 450,000 votes.

National GOP officials plunged in. Thruston Morton flew to Chicago to
confer with Illinois Republican leaders on strategy, while party Treasurer
Meade Alcorn announced Nixon would win the state. With Nixon distancing
himself from the effort, the Cook County state's attorney, Benjamin
Adamowski, stepped forward to lead the challenge. A Daley antagonist and
potential rival for the mayoralty, Adamowski had lost his job to a
Democrat by 25,000 votes. The closeness of his defeat entitled him to a
recount, which began Nov. 29.

Completed Dec. 9, the recount of 863 precincts showed that the original
tally had undercounted Nixon's (and Adamowski's) votes, but only by 943,
far from the 4,500 needed to alter the results. In fact, in 40 percent of
the rechecked precincts, Nixon's vote was overcounted. Displeased, the
Republicans took the case to federal court, only to have a judge dismiss
the suits. Still undeterred, they turned to the State Board of Elections,
which was composed of four Republicans, including the governor, and one
Democrat. Yet the state board, too, unanimously rejected the petition,
citing the GOP's failure to provide even a single affidavit on its behalf.
The national party finally backed off after Dec. 19, when the nation's
Electoral College certified Kennedy as the new president???but even then
local Republicans wouldn't accept the Illinois results.

A recount did wind up changing the winner in one state: Hawaii. On Dec.
28, a circuit court judge ruled that the state???originally called
Kennedy's but awarded to Nixon after auditing errors emerged???belonged to
Kennedy after all. Nixon's net gain: -3 electoral votes.

The GOP's failure to prove fraud doesn't mean, of course, that the
election was clean. That question remains unsolved and unsolvable. But
what's typically left out of the legend is that multiple election boards
saw no reason to overturn the results. Neither did state or federal
judges. Neither did an Illinois special prosecutor in 1961. And neither
have academic inquiries into the Illinois case (both a 1961 study by three
University of Chicago professors and more recent research by political
scientist Edmund Kallina concluded that whatever fraud existed wasn't
substantial enough to alter the election).

On the other hand, some fraud clearly occurred in Cook County. At least
three people were sent to jail for election-related crimes, and 677 others
were indicted before being acquitted by Judge John M. Karns, a Daley
crony. Many of the allegations involved practices that wouldn't be
detected by a recount, leading the conservative Chicago Tribune, among
others, to conclude that "once an election has been stolen in Cook County,
it stays stolen." What's more, according to journalist Seymour Hersh, a
former Justice Department prosecutor who heard tapes of FBI wiretaps from
the period believed that Illinois was rightfully Nixon's. Hersh also has
written that J. Edgar Hoover believed Nixon actually won the presidency
but in deciding to follow normal procedures and refer the FBI's findings
to the attorney general???as of Jan. 20, 1961, Robert F. Kennedy???he
effectively buried the case.

Another man, too, believed Nixon was robbed: Nixon. At a 1960 Christmas
party, he was heard greeting guests, "We won but they stole it from us."
Nixon nursed the grudge for years, and when he was criticized for his
Watergate crimes he would cite the Kennedys' misdeeds as precedent. He may
have felt JFK's supposed theft entitled him to cheat in 1972. It's an
interesting hypothetical: If no pall had been cast over the 1960 election,
would Watergate have happened? SINGLE PAGE

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OHLeeRedux
2018-06-10 18:01:56 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-11 14:14:50 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
Doesn't make voter fraud and Gerrymandering legal just because they've
been around for years.
OHLeeRedux
2018-06-12 02:42:09 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
Doesn't make voter fraud and Gerrymandering legal just because they've
been around for years.
Gerrymandering has absolutely no effect on the presidential election. The
Electoral votes are allocated by state, not congressional district.

I'd offer you the same advice about your making an attempt to get your
information from someplace besides the silly TV shows you watch, but you
just don't listen. So just keep making yourself look foolish. It's great
entertainment.
Mark
2018-06-11 20:02:09 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
In the 1950s, Senator Kennedy spoke favorably of the Electoral College
system.

Mark
Anthony Marsh
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Post by OHLeeRedux
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
In the 1950s, Senator Kennedy spoke favorably of the Electoral College
system.
Yes. In theory it is a good compromise, especially in a country made up of
many states with different interests.

Given the sheer size of our country we needed some type of compromise.
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Mark
bigdog
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
In the 1950s, Senator Kennedy spoke favorably of the Electoral College
system.
One of the often overlooked benefits of the Electoral College is that it
compartmentalizes the election. In Florida in 2000 it took five weeks to
resolve who actually won that state and with it the national election. The
final official tally was less than a 600 vote difference between Bush and
Gore. Now imagine if we decided the election by a nationwide popular vote
and we had a final count of 10,000 votes or less. We would be counting,
and recounting, and litigating every vote from Key West to Point Barrow.
Florida was enough of a mess in 2000. Do we really want to see that played
out on a national level.
bigdog
2018-06-12 02:39:29 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
He's probably unaware of the fact that 19 Presidents got elected with a
minority of the popular vote. Since he doesn't understand that
gerrymandering couldn't have affected the outcome of the electoral college
in any election, it's too much to expect he would understand the
difference between a majority and a plurality.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
That makes sense only to people like you.
Someone can win the Presidency with the minority of the votes, but the
majority of the voters voted against him.
It's called the Constitution, Anthony. We've been doing it that way for
almost 230 years. Get up from in front of that TV and read a book for
Christ's sake.
He's probably unaware of the fact that 19 Presidents got elected with a
WHO? The Treoll or me? The Troll is not even from the Unites States.

I am well aware and have written about it before.
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minority of the popular vote. Since he doesn't understand that
gerrymandering couldn't have affected the outcome of the electoral college
in any election, it's too much to expect he would understand the
difference between a majority and a plurality.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you.
bigdog
2018-06-09 14:16:27 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
Trump did on the national level what Jesse Ventura had done 20 years
earlier in the Minnesota governor's race. He recognized there was enough
dissatisfaction in both major parties that he could challenge the status
quo and drive a wedge between the two. He was essentially a third party
candidate but he recognized that most voters are conditioned to vote for
an R or a D. He didn't want to be another Ross Perot so he realized he
needed to hijack one of the major parties if he was going to be successful
and he saw the GOP was ripe for the taking. Once nominated, he saw there
were enough dissatisfied Democrats whom he could appeal to and he won over
just enough of them to score critical wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and
Wisconsin. He tested the waters in 2012 but realized the time wasn't
right. He saw the opening in 2016 and he pounced. The left is too filled
with hatred to give him his due for putting together a brilliant game
plan. Now they get to see him every night on their TV screens and it
really galls them.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-10 18:05:42 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
Did you somehow miss the last Presidential election, where he challenged
both political parties and did the impossible? What that proves is
American voters were sick and tired of lying Democrats and do-nothing
Republicans. The Status Quo lost and the Middle Class joined the mutiny.
Trump did on the national level what Jesse Ventura had done 20 years
earlier in the Minnesota governor's race. He recognized there was enough
dissatisfaction in both major parties that he could challenge the status
quo and drive a wedge between the two. He was essentially a third party
candidate but he recognized that most voters are conditioned to vote for
Exactly. So don't call him a Republican. He destroyed the Republican
Party.
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an R or a D. He didn't want to be another Ross Perot so he realized he
needed to hijack one of the major parties if he was going to be successful
and he saw the GOP was ripe for the taking. Once nominated, he saw there
were enough dissatisfied Democrats whom he could appeal to and he won over
just enough of them to score critical wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and
Wisconsin. He tested the waters in 2012 but realized the time wasn't
right. He saw the opening in 2016 and he pounced. The left is too filled
with hatred to give him his due for putting together a brilliant game
plan. Now they get to see him every night on their TV screens and it
really galls them.
Au contraire. We can be dazzled by the brilliance of Doctor Evil.
Likewise we can look in awe and terror at what Trump is doing.
BOZ
2018-06-08 01:14:20 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
It might be useful to remember that Trump started calling the press
names.
As if they have been the least bit respectful towards him.
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He has a way of bringing grief down on himself. Probably to get
more attention which he lacked as a child.
If Trump were to charge into a burning school and personally rescue dozens
of black and Hispanic children, the media would find a way to put a
negative spin on it. The headline would probably be, "TRUMP DOESN'T RESCUE
NATIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN FROM BURNING SCHOOL". It wouldn't matter if there
were no Native American children in the burning school. They are going to
hate him no matter what he does because he denied their queen her rightful
place on the throne and they will never forgive him for that. I feel their
pain and I relish every bit of it. Their non-stop whining is music to my
ears. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but if he runs for reelection, I
will vote for him in 2020 just to spite those whiny losers and double down
on their grief.
Trump said that if he went down on Fith street and shot people he
wouldn't lose any votes. That doesn't sound like a nice person to me.
When has he ever done anything heroic in his life?
TRUMP IS A HERO. HE HAD UNPROTECTED SEX WITH STORMY DANIELS AND DID NOT
GET AIDS.
Ace Kefford
2018-06-07 01:16:33 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ridiculous. Talk about building up your straw man, "discrediting the
media is only a bad thing if you assume they are pristine truth tellers."
Yessirree, solid logical thinking there. Think how ridiculous a statement
that is. So many flaws. Just to give an idea of one, the statement
assumes "the media" is all the same and not something with various parts
not all of which are the same and therefore vary in their degree of
pristine-ness! Here's another one: discrediting likewise can mean a lot
of things. It can mean pointing out relevant omitted facts or false
arguments, or it can mean just asserting that anything you don't like is
fake news or claiming that those who report something negative about you
are enemies of the country. The whole statement is a good example of the
typical narrow-minded approach of "if I can put the same word or label on
two things then those two things are the same things." I only took one
course that touched on ancient Greek philosophy but I think those folks
had already nailed down the fallacy involved there. As the ancient joke
goes, "Aristotle is a man. I am a man. Therefore I am Aristotle." Or to
quote another philosopher, John Wayne: "Re-goddamn-diculous." Don't let
the need to defend Exalted Leader cause reason to not only take a backseat
but not even get in the vehicle. Your grade: D-.
BOZ
2018-06-08 00:45:19 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ridiculous. Talk about building up your straw man, "discrediting the
media is only a bad thing if you assume they are pristine truth tellers."
Yessirree, solid logical thinking there. Think how ridiculous a statement
that is. So many flaws. Just to give an idea of one, the statement
assumes "the media" is all the same and not something with various parts
not all of which are the same and therefore vary in their degree of
pristine-ness! Here's another one: discrediting likewise can mean a lot
of things. It can mean pointing out relevant omitted facts or false
arguments, or it can mean just asserting that anything you don't like is
fake news or claiming that those who report something negative about you
are enemies of the country. The whole statement is a good example of the
typical narrow-minded approach of "if I can put the same word or label on
two things then those two things are the same things." I only took one
course that touched on ancient Greek philosophy but I think those folks
had already nailed down the fallacy involved there. As the ancient joke
goes, "Aristotle is a man. I am a man. Therefore I am Aristotle." Or to
quote another philosopher, John Wayne: "Re-goddamn-diculous." Don't let
the need to defend Exalted Leader cause reason to not only take a backseat
but not even get in the vehicle. Your grade: D-.
I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT ACE KEFFORD IS VERY FUNNY.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-09 14:14:43 UTC
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Post by Ace Kefford
Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ridiculous. Talk about building up your straw man, "discrediting the
media is only a bad thing if you assume they are pristine truth tellers."
Yessirree, solid logical thinking there. Think how ridiculous a statement
that is. So many flaws. Just to give an idea of one, the statement
assumes "the media" is all the same and not something with various parts
not all of which are the same and therefore vary in their degree of
pristine-ness! Here's another one: discrediting likewise can mean a lot
of things. It can mean pointing out relevant omitted facts or false
arguments, or it can mean just asserting that anything you don't like is
fake news or claiming that those who report something negative about you
are enemies of the country. The whole statement is a good example of the
typical narrow-minded approach of "if I can put the same word or label on
two things then those two things are the same things." I only took one
course that touched on ancient Greek philosophy but I think those folks
had already nailed down the fallacy involved there. As the ancient joke
goes, "Aristotle is a man. I am a man. Therefore I am Aristotle." Or to
quote another philosopher, John Wayne: "Re-goddamn-diculous." Don't let
the need to defend Exalted Leader cause reason to not only take a backseat
but not even get in the vehicle. Your grade: D-.
I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT ACE KEFFORD IS VERY FUNNY.
Yes, I think Ace is a funny name.
d***@gmail.com
2018-06-12 21:20:19 UTC
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On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
When criticizing the mainstream media, I find it somewhat amusing when
FoxNews puts up a background graphic that is supposed to represent WHO
they are talking about when mentioning the "mainstream media". It usually
has CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Time York Times and a host of others. Never
do they pause to ask themselves, "Why aren't WE (FoxNews) on that list?"
That's because they exclude themselves from the mainstream media.
Apparently, they're special. They're exempt from this moniker. They're the
sole truth teller. Everybody else is not seeing this clearly and it is up
to FoxNews to set America straight. Yet, they're not shy about bragging
about their higher-than-the-rest viewership ... especially in the Bill
O'Reilly days. The trend is that FoxNews (extreme right) has experienced
growing viewership while MSNBC (extreme left) has also been experiencing
growth - all at the expense of CNN which is now seen as too
middle-of-the-road for the growing political tribalism. The problem for
FoxNews is that the average age of their viewer is much older than the
average age of the MSNBC viewer - which does not bode well for the future.

Apparently, this phenomenon of the mainstream media being so fake, biased,
and dishonest has gone up by orders of magnitude in the era of Trump.
Maybe it's just the other way around.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-13 14:53:48 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
When criticizing the mainstream media, I find it somewhat amusing when
FoxNews puts up a background graphic that is supposed to represent WHO
they are talking about when mentioning the "mainstream media". It usually
has CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Time York Times and a host of others. Never
do they pause to ask themselves, "Why aren't WE (FoxNews) on that list?"
Of course they aren't. They're Trump News.
Post by d***@gmail.com
That's because they exclude themselves from the mainstream media.
Apparently, they're special. They're exempt from this moniker. They're the
sole truth teller. Everybody else is not seeing this clearly and it is up
to FoxNews to set America straight. Yet, they're not shy about bragging
about their higher-than-the-rest viewership ... especially in the Bill
You mean when Rachel kept beating them?
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O'Reilly days. The trend is that FoxNews (extreme right) has experienced
growing viewership while MSNBC (extreme left) has also been experiencing
growth - all at the expense of CNN which is now seen as too
middle-of-the-road for the growing political tribalism. The problem for
FoxNews is that the average age of their viewer is much older than the
average age of the MSNBC viewer - which does not bode well for the future.
Apparently, this phenomenon of the mainstream media being so fake, biased,
and dishonest has gone up by orders of magnitude in the era of Trump.
Maybe it's just the other way around.
David Emerling
Memphis, TN
bigdog
2018-06-14 14:51:32 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
When criticizing the mainstream media, I find it somewhat amusing when
FoxNews puts up a background graphic that is supposed to represent WHO
they are talking about when mentioning the "mainstream media". It usually
has CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Time York Times and a host of others. Never
do they pause to ask themselves, "Why aren't WE (FoxNews) on that list?"
That's because they exclude themselves from the mainstream media.
Apparently, they're special. They're exempt from this moniker. They're the
sole truth teller. Everybody else is not seeing this clearly and it is up
to FoxNews to set America straight. Yet, they're not shy about bragging
about their higher-than-the-rest viewership ... especially in the Bill
O'Reilly days. The trend is that FoxNews (extreme right) has experienced
growing viewership while MSNBC (extreme left) has also been experiencing
growth - all at the expense of CNN which is now seen as too
middle-of-the-road for the growing political tribalism.
CNN middle of the road? They and MSNBC are two lanes of the same road
going in the same direction.
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The problem for
FoxNews is that the average age of their viewer is much older than the
average age of the MSNBC viewer - which does not bode well for the future.
Yes, younger people tend to be more liberal than the older folks. I was a
far out lefty when I was young. The tendency is for these young liberals
to become more conservative as they age and so the balance remains pretty
much the same. If all the young liberals became old liberals, the liberals
would have taken over this country a long time ago.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Apparently, this phenomenon of the mainstream media being so fake, biased,
and dishonest has gone up by orders of magnitude in the era of Trump.
Maybe it's just the other way around.
What has happened is all those liberal media sources which treated Obama
with kid gloves during his presidency have sharpened their claws when
dealing with Trump. No matter what Trump does, they are going to ask
themselves, "How can we put a negative spin on this story". If that wasn't
true, you would occasionally see positive stories about Trump on CNN,
MSNBC, in the NYT, Washington Post, etc. Have you ever seen that happen? I
haven't. I doubt I ever will.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-15 01:55:27 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 28 May 2018 16:14:46 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
Discrediting the media is only a bad thing *if* you assume they are
pristine truth tellers.
But they aren't. They like calling Trump a liar. And he responds in
kind.
And they whine about it.
.John
When criticizing the mainstream media, I find it somewhat amusing when
FoxNews puts up a background graphic that is supposed to represent WHO
they are talking about when mentioning the "mainstream media". It usually
has CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Time York Times and a host of others. Never
do they pause to ask themselves, "Why aren't WE (FoxNews) on that list?"
That's because they exclude themselves from the mainstream media.
Apparently, they're special. They're exempt from this moniker. They're the
sole truth teller. Everybody else is not seeing this clearly and it is up
to FoxNews to set America straight. Yet, they're not shy about bragging
about their higher-than-the-rest viewership ... especially in the Bill
O'Reilly days. The trend is that FoxNews (extreme right) has experienced
growing viewership while MSNBC (extreme left) has also been experiencing
growth - all at the expense of CNN which is now seen as too
middle-of-the-road for the growing political tribalism.
CNN middle of the road? They and MSNBC are two lanes of the same road
going in the same direction.
Post by d***@gmail.com
The problem for
FoxNews is that the average age of their viewer is much older than the
average age of the MSNBC viewer - which does not bode well for the future.
Yes, younger people tend to be more liberal than the older folks. I was a
far out lefty when I was young. The tendency is for these young liberals
to become more conservative as they age and so the balance remains pretty
much the same. If all the young liberals became old liberals, the liberals
would have taken over this country a long time ago.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Apparently, this phenomenon of the mainstream media being so fake, biased,
and dishonest has gone up by orders of magnitude in the era of Trump.
Maybe it's just the other way around.
What has happened is all those liberal media sources which treated Obama
with kid gloves during his presidency have sharpened their claws when
dealing with Trump. No matter what Trump does, they are going to ask
themselves, "How can we put a negative spin on this story". If that wasn't
true, you would occasionally see positive stories about Trump on CNN,
MSNBC, in the NYT, Washington Post, etc. Have you ever seen that happen? I
haven't. I doubt I ever will.
And you don't think any of that has anything to do with the politics or
policies of each President?
Bud
2018-05-29 20:51:14 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
That is exactly what the trolls do here to defend the WC.
The media is constantly giving away its credibility, nobody is taking it
away. Same as Marsh does to himself here.
BOZ
2018-05-29 20:52:32 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
In an interview Trump explained how he attacks critics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/leslie_stahl_trump_told_me_he_uses_term_fake_news_to_discredit_the_media.html
That is exactly what the trolls do here to defend the WC.
I'LL GIVE U A C IN THE SPELLING BEE. TACTICS NOT TACCTICS.
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