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Oswald was a Communist
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claviger
2018-05-12 03:07:30 UTC
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Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.

LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-14 00:09:08 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
You mean even YOU din't fall for Sabato's theory that Oswald was paid by
Castro to kill JFK? $6,500 wasn't convincing to you?
Post by claviger
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
claviger
2018-05-17 03:07:08 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
You mean even YOU din't fall for Sabato's theory that Oswald was paid by
Castro to kill JFK? $6,500 wasn't convincing to you?
$6,500.00 in 1963 had the same buying power as $52,710.72 in 2018
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-18 00:48:30 UTC
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Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
You mean even YOU din't fall for Sabato's theory that Oswald was paid by
Castro to kill JFK? $6,500 wasn't convincing to you?
$6,500.00 in 1963 had the same buying power as $52,710.72 in 2018
Thank you. So you do believe that someone would kill Trump for
$52,710.72. How much did Stormy Daniels get?
OHLeeRedux
2018-05-19 01:05:41 UTC
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Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
You mean even YOU din't fall for Sabato's theory that Oswald was paid by
Castro to kill JFK? $6,500 wasn't convincing to you?
$6,500.00 in 1963 had the same buying power as $52,710.72 in 2018
Thank you. So you do believe that someone would kill Trump for
$52,710.72. How much did Stormy Daniels get?
Ask your daddy.
claviger
2018-05-19 01:06:59 UTC
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Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
You mean even YOU din't fall for Sabato's theory that Oswald was paid by
Castro to kill JFK? $6,500 wasn't convincing to you?
$6,500.00 in 1963 had the same buying power as $52,710.72 in 2018
Thank you. So you do believe that someone would kill Trump for
$52,710.72.
How much did Stormy Daniels get?
Don't know, you will have to ask Stormy if she measured Trump's friendly
spelunker attaché who volunteered to probe the depth of the
situation.
mainframetech
2018-05-17 02:05:48 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
Of course, it was testified to that he liked JFK and thought he was a
"great leader". An when it came to it he ran away to save himself from
being made the 'patsy'.


See, I can make up phony stories too.

Chris
Bud
2018-05-19 01:03:56 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
The term today is "self-radicalized". Looking at Oswald`s reading
material in New Orleans it was almost all political or heroic fiction...


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17255-reading-list-for-us-intelligence-agent-lee-harvey-oswald-summer-1963-in-new-orleans/

But fear not buffs, nobody can make you utilize information in a
rational manner.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-05-20 01:32:21 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
The term today is "self-radicalized". Looking at Oswald`s reading
material in New Orleans it was almost all political or heroic fiction...
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17255-reading-list-for-us-intelligence-agent-lee-harvey-oswald-summer-1963-in-new-orleans/
But fear not buffs, nobody can make you utilize information in a
rational manner.
To the Oswald defenders this is proof he *wasn't* a Marxist; no, it's
proof that he was pretending to be one.

Some of the conspiracy advocates - the writer Carmine Savastano, who used
to post here - says Oswald wasn't a Marxist since he never attended any
Marxist meetings or met with other Marxists. He believes it was a
"legend", his cover for intelligence work. And that he had a crude, simple
understanding of Marxism. So: no interactions with Marxist, no
understanding of Marxism equals not a Marxist.

This is a strange standard for being a Marxist. If someone were to claim
to be a fascist, an admirer of Hitler and someone who believed Jews ran
the world, we wouldn't say he couldn't be a fascist unless he attended
Nazi Party meetings. We'd all say, "This person is a Nazi, a fascist."

As you point out, Oswald was "self-radicalized" and self taught (as he
admitted). Where would a high school dropout get a sophisticated
understanding of Marx? He had to teach himself; so it's clear he would
have a simplistic understanding of the concepts behind Marxism.

In any case, he certainly detested the America political and economic
systems. Let's set aside the "Was he a Marxist?" question an ask, "Did he
hate the US?" The answer to that is an emphatic yes.
Bud
2018-05-20 22:11:07 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
The term today is "self-radicalized". Looking at Oswald`s reading
material in New Orleans it was almost all political or heroic fiction...
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17255-reading-list-for-us-intelligence-agent-lee-harvey-oswald-summer-1963-in-new-orleans/
But fear not buffs, nobody can make you utilize information in a
rational manner.
To the Oswald defenders this is proof he *wasn't* a Marxist; no, it's
proof that he was pretending to be one.
Some of the conspiracy advocates - the writer Carmine Savastano, who used
to post here - says Oswald wasn't a Marxist since he never attended any
Marxist meetings or met with other Marxists. He believes it was a
"legend", his cover for intelligence work. And that he had a crude, simple
understanding of Marxism. So: no interactions with Marxist, no
understanding of Marxism equals not a Marxist.
It takes Oswald`s personality out of the equation. He didn`t play well
with others, I think for him to be a member of a group would mean he was
just another "whatever the group was". I think in his mind he was more
than the people around him, so would be selling himself short to sit
around with a bunch of other commies talking commie shop, it would be
admitting he was no better.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
This is a strange standard for being a Marxist. If someone were to claim
to be a fascist, an admirer of Hitler and someone who believed Jews ran
the world, we wouldn't say he couldn't be a fascist unless he attended
Nazi Party meetings. We'd all say, "This person is a Nazi, a fascist."
As you point out, Oswald was "self-radicalized" and self taught (as he
admitted). Where would a high school dropout get a sophisticated
understanding of Marx? He had to teach himself; so it's clear he would
have a simplistic understanding of the concepts behind Marxism.
In any case, he certainly detested the America political and economic
systems. Let's set aside the "Was he a Marxist?" question an ask, "Did he
hate the US?" The answer to that is an emphatic yes.
claviger
2018-05-20 22:23:29 UTC
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Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his
hero Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the
ultimate Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone
wolf amateur sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban
Revolution for decades to come.
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the
country and government he hated most in the world, as he blithely
went about his efforts to decapitate the political system that he so
despised. He succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts
to protect the President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and
experience the US institutions he overcame were no match for his
simple plan lacking any complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp
rifle at the passing motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low
tech sniper could do it, and he did.
Post by Bud
The term today is "self-radicalized". Looking at Oswald`s reading
material in New Orleans it was almost all political or heroic fiction...
But fear not buffs, nobody can make you utilize information in a
rational manner.
To the Oswald defenders this is proof he *wasn't* a Marxist; no, it's proof
that he was pretending to be one.
Some of the conspiracy advocates - the writer Carmine Savastano, who
used to post here - says Oswald wasn't a Marxist since he never attended
any Marxist meetings or met with other Marxists. He believes it was a "legend",
his cover for intelligence work. And that he had a crude, simple understanding
of Marxism. So: no interactions with Marxist, no understanding of Marxism
equals not a Marxist.
This is a strange standard for being a Marxist. If someone were to claim
to be a fascist, an admirer of Hitler and someone who believed Jews ran
the world, we wouldn't say he couldn't be a fascist unless he attended
Nazi Party meetings. We'd all say, "This person is a Nazi, a fascist."
As you point out, Oswald was "self-radicalized" and self taught (as
he admitted). Where would a high school dropout get a sophisticated
understanding of Marx? He had to teach himself; so it's clear he would
have a simplistic understanding of the concepts behind Marxism.
In any case, he certainly detested the America political and economic
systems. Let's set aside the "Was he a Marxist?" question an ask,
"Did he hate the US?" The answer to that is an emphatic yes.
Brilliant analysis.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-21 15:03:36 UTC
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Post by claviger
Oswald was a self actualizing Communist hitman. He imitated his hero
Fidel Castro. LHO was in competition with Che and made the ultimate
Communist hit on the US political system. He was a lone wolf amateur
sniper who took pressure off Castro and the Cuban Revolution for decades
to come.
LHO achieved his goal to change history and deeply wounded the country and
government he hated most in the world, as he blithely went about his
efforts to decapitate the political system that he so despised. He
succeeded in out maneuvering all US security efforts to protect the
President. Partly due to a lack of sophistication and experience the US
institutions he overcame were no match for his simple plan lacking any
complicated stealth to fire a cheap milsurp rifle at the passing
motorcade. In fact so easy even a wannabe low tech sniper could do it, and
he did.
The term today is "self-radicalized". Looking at Oswald`s reading
material in New Orleans it was almost all political or heroic fiction...
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17255-reading-list-for-us-intelligence-agent-lee-harvey-oswald-summer-1963-in-new-orleans/
But fear not buffs, nobody can make you utilize information in a
rational manner.
To the Oswald defenders this is proof he *wasn't* a Marxist; no, it's
proof that he was pretending to be one.
Some of the conspiracy advocates - the writer Carmine Savastano, who used
to post here - says Oswald wasn't a Marxist since he never attended any
Marxist meetings or met with other Marxists. He believes it was a
Phony. That HE knows of. One does not have to be part of a cell to be a
dedicates Marxist.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
"legend", his cover for intelligence work. And that he had a crude, simple
understanding of Marxism. So: no interactions with Marxist, no
understanding of Marxism equals not a Marxist.
Sure, Oswwald did not understand but that does not make him a fake
believer. He was not playing out "I Led Three Lives."
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
This is a strange standard for being a Marxist. If someone were to claim
to be a fascist, an admirer of Hitler and someone who believed Jews ran
Slow down, boy.
One does not have to believe in Hitler to be a Fascist, but it helps.
They are different variants. And not all Fascists in Italy admired
Hitler. Some kids like the shooter can be fascinated with Hitler without
being card carrying Fascists.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
the world, we wouldn't say he couldn't be a fascist unless he attended
Nazi Party meetings. We'd all say, "This person is a Nazi, a fascist."
Not a necessary proof. We would call the closet Nazis.
BTW, just being anti-Jewish or believing that the Jews run the world is
not enough to qualify to be a Nazi. Many Arabs think the same way. Some
were ALLIES of the Nazis, but not Fascists themselves.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
As you point out, Oswald was "self-radicalized" and self taught (as he
admitted). Where would a high school dropout get a sophisticated
Why would it have to be sophisticated? Was there a special Marxist
school nearby? Know any Marxist cells in Texas? Maybe New York.
But he did read The Militant.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
understanding of Marx? He had to teach himself; so it's clear he would
have a simplistic understanding of the concepts behind Marxism.
You get no point for stating the obvious.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
In any case, he certainly detested the America political and economic
systems. Let's set aside the "Was he a Marxist?" question an ask, "Did he
hate the US?" The answer to that is an emphatic yes.
He said in the interview that he was a Marxist.
claviger
2018-05-21 02:00:37 UTC
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Oswald was a well read activist who studied Communist mentality:

Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.


Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.


Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.

Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.


Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.

It does matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.

A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.


Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.

I would probably have more in common with a whale
than with a bourgeois married couple employed at
worthy institutions that I would wipe from the face
of the earth if it was given to me to do so.
claviger
2018-05-22 01:57:16 UTC
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Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.
Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.
It doesn't matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.
A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.
Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.
I would probably have more in common with a whale
than with a bourgeois married couple employed at
worthy institutions that I would wipe from the face
of the earth if it was given to me to do so.
After years of studying Marxist ideology LHO probably read
every one of those quotes, then followed instructions.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-05-23 20:26:16 UTC
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Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.
Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.
It doesn't matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.
A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.
Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.
I would probably have more in common with a whale
than with a bourgeois married couple employed at
worthy institutions that I would wipe from the face
of the earth if it was given to me to do so.
After years of studying Marxist ideology LHO probably read
every one of those quotes, then followed instructions.
It's difficult to tell how and how much he believed in Marxism - as he
understood it - and when it, Marxism, was simply something, an idea, that
substituted for his dislike of the world. And remember he insisted on
calling himself a Marxist and not a communist. Again, however he
understood the term.

As his brother Robert said, if Lee had stayed in the Soviet Union he would
have ended up shooting Khrushchev.

Oswald wasn't going to be happy anywhere.
claviger
2018-05-24 14:31:05 UTC
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Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.
Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.
It doesn't matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.
A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.
Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.
I would probably have more in common with a whale
than with a bourgeois married couple employed at
worthy institutions that I would wipe from the face
of the earth if it was given to me to do so.
After years of studying Marxist ideology LHO probably read
every one of those quotes, then followed instructions.
It's difficult to tell how and how much he believed in Marxism - as he
understood it - and when it, Marxism, was simply something, an idea, that
substituted for his dislike of the world. And remember he insisted on
calling himself a Marxist and not a communist. Again, however he
understood the term.
As his brother Robert said, if Lee had stayed in the Soviet Union he would
have ended up shooting Khrushchev.
Oswald wasn't going to be happy anywhere.
Well said.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-22 22:34:12 UTC
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Post by claviger
Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
But Oswald didn't buy the long rifle. He bought the SHORT rifle!
Post by claviger
Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.
Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.
It does matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.
A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.
Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.
Was he talking about the American Revolution? I suppose you oppose that
revolution also.
Post by claviger
I would probably have more in common with a whale
than with a bourgeois married couple employed at
worthy institutions that I would wipe from the face
of the earth if it was given to me to do so.
claviger
2018-05-23 20:28:49 UTC
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Post by claviger
Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
But Oswald didn't buy the long rifle. He bought the SHORT rifle!
Is that supposed to be funny?
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Post by claviger
Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.
Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.
It does matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.
A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.
Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.
Was he talking about the American Revolution? I suppose you oppose that
revolution also.
Interesting question. Yes and no. In retrospect the American Revolution
was an overreaction to the cost analysis of protecting the colonies. Our
forefathers wanted something for nothing. They appealed to the Crown send
troops for protection of the Colonies but did not wish a partnership to
underwrite that cost. They basically wanted free Government services.
Sound familiar?

French and Indian War Facts
http://www.softschools.com/facts/world_history/french_and_indian_war_facts/985/

Many of the Revolutionary War heroes ended up broke and died in poverty.
It would have been better for all concerned had there been no Revolution
or US Civil War. Cooperation between the Colonies and Great Briton
could've been possible and the United States would have developed large
enough to be granted the same status of Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand. A few historians attribute both the Revolution and the US Civil
War to the devious machinations of Secret Societies like the Masonic
Order. So the mysterious Shadow Government was a major influence from the
earliest establishment of the Colonial period according to some authors.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-24 22:04:50 UTC
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Mao
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Lenin
The goal of socialism is communism.
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Stalin
The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
But Oswald didn't buy the long rifle. He bought the SHORT rifle!
Is that supposed to be funny?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem.
Castro
Men do not shape destiny, Destiny shapes men for the hour.
It does matter how small you are if you have faith and a plan.
A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the
past.
Che
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe.
You have to make it fall.
Was he talking about the American Revolution? I suppose you oppose that
revolution also.
Interesting question. Yes and no. In retrospect the American Revolution
was an overreaction to the cost analysis of protecting the colonies. Our
forefathers wanted something for nothing. They appealed to the Crown send
troops for protection of the Colonies but did not wish a partnership to
underwrite that cost. They basically wanted free Government services.
Sound familiar?
French and Indian War Facts
http://www.softschools.com/facts/world_history/french_and_indian_war_facts/985/
Many of the Revolutionary War heroes ended up broke and died in poverty.
It would have been better for all concerned had there been no Revolution
or US Civil War. Cooperation between the Colonies and Great Briton
could've been possible and the United States would have developed large
enough to be granted the same status of Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand. A few historians attribute both the Revolution and the US Civil
War to the devious machinations of Secret Societies like the Masonic
Order. So the mysterious Shadow Government was a major influence from the
earliest establishment of the Colonial period according to some authors.
After how many years of oppression?

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