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Evidence that Ruby reached the garage substantially earlier than told
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Ralph Cinque
2017-06-14 14:37:14 UTC
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I have put together a blogpost citing the evidence which supports my
contention that Jack Ruby reached the garage much earlier than 11:20, and
why it had to be a totally separate incident that he had with police, who
then took him up to the 5th floor, which is where he was when the
televised spectacle occurred.

http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2017/06/i-want-you-all-to-realize-that-this.html
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-15 16:47:59 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I have put together a blogpost citing the evidence which supports my
contention that Jack Ruby reached the garage much earlier than 11:20, and
So what? He was loitering with the reporters and waiting for Oswald for
a couple of minutes before Oswald came down.
Post by Ralph Cinque
why it had to be a totally separate incident that he had with police, who
then took him up to the 5th floor, which is where he was when the
televised spectacle occurred.
SHOW me this incident. Cameras were rolling to be ready for Oswald to
come down. No reporter reported your magical incident? Because all
reporters were in on it? And the cameras knew too?
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http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2017/06/i-want-you-all-to-realize-that-this.html
InsideSparta
2017-06-17 03:29:54 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I have put together a blogpost citing the evidence which supports my
contention that Jack Ruby reached the garage much earlier than 11:20, and
why it had to be a totally separate incident that he had with police, who
then took him up to the 5th floor, which is where he was when the
televised spectacle occurred.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2017/06/i-want-you-all-to-realize-that-this.html
To answer your question posed on blog as to where Sam Pierce was going
when he drove out of the garage one minute before the shooting; he drove
out in order to get around to the other side (Commerce Street) of City
Hall so that he could provide a police car escort to the car taking Oswald
to the County Jail. Pierce could not drive out of the garage via the
normal exit, the Commerce Street ramp, because that exit was blocked by
the armored vehicle that was going to be a decoy. Pierce was forced to
drive out via the entrance ramp (Main Street). had Pierce driven out of
the garage an hour earlier, he would have used the normal exit ramp
(Commerce) and not needed to exit via the entrance (Main). There's no
evidence he drove out of the garage any earlier than when he did so one
minute before the shooting. Officer Roy Vaughan, who was tasked with
guarding the Main Street entrance, testified under oath to the WC that in
the nearly two hours he stood in the Main Street entrance doorway prior to
the shooting, he only had to move from his spot one time, when Sam Pierce
drove out of the garage approximately one minute before the shooting.
There simply is no evidence that Pierce drove out of the garage earlier,
because it simply didn't happen.
Ralph Cinque
2017-06-17 17:53:59 UTC
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You need to learn something, Sparta, and that is that I am not obliged by
official dogma. Of course, they are going to say that. Of course, they are
going to have pat answers. What I look at is the fact that Jack Ruby made
it clear that he made no effort to sneak in or evade being seen by the
police, and even though there were two police officers and a police car in
that narrow ramp, that Ruby managed to get by without being seen. You
think that's a darn shame, don't you? After all that dogged and diligent
preparation by Dallas Police to protect Oswald, Jack Ruby just got the
better of these two officers.

It's a shame, isn't it?

I asked you a question, Sparta. What were the people doing there hanging
around? Why were they hanging around there when it was an incoming ramp,
and there was no chance of seeing Oswald? It made no sense for them to be
there, Sparta. And it stinks. It stinks badly.
InsideSparta
2017-06-18 21:45:35 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
You need to learn something, Sparta, and that is that I am not obliged by
official dogma. Of course, they are going to say that. Of course, they are
going to have pat answers. What I look at is the fact that Jack Ruby made
it clear that he made no effort to sneak in or evade being seen by the
police, and even though there were two police officers and a police car in
that narrow ramp, that Ruby managed to get by without being seen. You
think that's a darn shame, don't you? After all that dogged and diligent
preparation by Dallas Police to protect Oswald, Jack Ruby just got the
better of these two officers
He definitely did. Ruby couldn't have known that Lieutenant Pierce drove
out of the Main Street entrance when he did (one minute before the
shooting), and pulled Vaughan out of his position in the entryway, unless
he was standing exactly where he said he was, outside that entrance.
You're unable to provide a single piece of credible evidence that he
entered the garage before then, nor can you provide any evidence to
impeach the sworn testimony given by Pierce and Vaughan, (or even the lie
detector test that Ruby took, for that matter).
Post by Ralph Cinque
It's a shame, isn't it?
It's a fact, and a shame.
Post by Ralph Cinque
I asked you a question, Sparta. What were the people doing there hanging
around? Why were they hanging around there when it was an incoming ramp,
and there was no chance of seeing Oswald? It made no sense for them to be
there, Sparta. And it stinks. It stinks badly.
The fact is, there were people hanging around both Commerce and Main. Even
more were hanging around the county jail. What? Do you think those that
were outside the Main Street entrance were all in on it? They might very
well not have known the Main Street side was the entrance not the exit.
All of them were curiosity seekers, as was Ruby initially. The only
difference was Ruby managed to slip into the garage with a gun that he
nearly always carried, and an unbalanced mental disposition.
Ralph Cinque
2017-06-19 23:20:54 UTC
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Sparta, you are just helping yourself to assumptions and conclusions to
which you are not entitled. You think the people gathered at that ramp
were unaware that it was an entrance? It had a big directional arrow. And
besides, wouldn't Vaughan have said something to them, such as, "This is
an entrance, and Oswald will be taken out the Commerce ramp." It's crazy
if he didn't. You say they were "curiosity seekers" but about what?
Curious about what? Ruby didn't "slip" in. He said he took action to slip
in, that he just walked right in. And why weren't those curiosity seekers
curious about him. He as the one and only thing they had to be curious
about. So, why didn't one of them alert Officer Vaughan? Or did Ruby slip
by them too?
InsideSparta
2017-06-21 02:24:00 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
Sparta, you are just helping yourself to assumptions and conclusions to
which you are not entitled.
Oh the irony in you of all people accusing someone of helping themselves
to assumptions and conclusions to which they're not entitled.

My conclusions are based on the facts, and simple logic. Like it being
highly logical to assume that anyone driving out of the garage prior to
11:00 AM, (before the armored vehicle blocked the exit ramp on Commerce)
would have naturally driven out via that exit ramp. You, on the other
hand, have come to the conclusion that Lieutenant Pierce drove out the
entrance ramp on Main Street an hour before the shooting, without
providing any evidence to back it up, nor any logical reason why he would
have driven out via the entrance, instead of the exit. Nor have you
provided any logical reason why he would have driven out at 10:15 AM. Now,
when it comes to the known fact that he drove out via the Main Street
entrance one minute before the shooting, at 11:20 AM, I provided the
reason he did so was to get around to the other side of the building so as
to provide a police car escort to the county jail. This is what he
testified to the WC, and it makes total sense. You, on the other hand,
have come to the conclusion that he only drove out one minute before the
shooting so as to re-create his departure an hour earlier because he knew
Ruby would testify that he saw him leaving when he entered the garage.
What kind of nonsense is that?

You are clearly the one that makes wild assumptions and reaches crazy
conclusions without any regard to the facts and to logic. You've been on
the ropes in this discussion, and the Bookhout thread, and it's pretty
clear you've suffered a technical knockout. Time to come up with a
different crazy theory.
Ralph Cinque
2017-06-21 22:03:37 UTC
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I provide evidence: Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby said that he saw Pierce driving
out when he was there, and since I have established that Jack Ruby was
there earlier, then it follows from that that Pierce must have been there
earlier. That's Logic, something that you know little or nothing about.

And who says that the reason Pierce drove out at 10:15 was anything other
than baiting Ruby? I'm not saying that Pierce was actually going anywhere.
It was all about snaring Jack Ruby and providing a pretext for him getting
in. So, that's the reason he drove out at 10:15 (approximately): to bait
Ruby. No other reason; just that.

And what you call his "reason" for driving out at 11:15, it was really
just his false alibi for driving out then. Provide a police escort car to
the county jail? There was the Brinks truck which, reportedly, was going
to be driven empty. Then, Oswald was going to be in Fritz' car with
Dhority driving and carrying Leavelle and Graves and Oswald. And you're
saying that Pierce had to drive around to get in position? Well, the
Brinks truck was backed up into the Commerce Street ramp, so obviously it
was going to pull out that way, on Commerce. And Dhority was pulling in
with Fritz' car right when the shooting happened, and it was heading
towards Main Street. But, presumably, after Oswald and the others got in,
it was going to be turned around to follow the Brinks truck. That was the
plan, right? It wasn't going to drive out Main Street, was it? So, why
couldn't Pierce go out the same way? It's just a phony alibi. You have a
tendency to swallow bull chit whole.

You are practicing insanity, Sparta. That's because the photographic
evidence clearly and definitively shows that the Garage Shooter was NOT
Jack Ruby. And yet, you continue to say that he was in defiance of that
photographic evidence. And that is plucking insane.
Jason Burke
2017-06-22 19:39:11 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I provide evidence: Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby said that he saw Pierce driving
out when he was there, and since I have established that Jack Ruby was
there earlier, then it follows from that that Pierce must have been there
earlier. That's Logic, something that you know little or nothing about.
And who says that the reason Pierce drove out at 10:15 was anything other
than baiting Ruby? I'm not saying that Pierce was actually going anywhere.
It was all about snaring Jack Ruby and providing a pretext for him getting
in. So, that's the reason he drove out at 10:15 (approximately): to bait
Ruby. No other reason; just that.
And what you call his "reason" for driving out at 11:15, it was really
just his false alibi for driving out then. Provide a police escort car to
the county jail? There was the Brinks truck which, reportedly, was going
to be driven empty. Then, Oswald was going to be in Fritz' car with
Dhority driving and carrying Leavelle and Graves and Oswald. And you're
saying that Pierce had to drive around to get in position? Well, the
Brinks truck was backed up into the Commerce Street ramp, so obviously it
was going to pull out that way, on Commerce. And Dhority was pulling in
with Fritz' car right when the shooting happened, and it was heading
towards Main Street. But, presumably, after Oswald and the others got in,
it was going to be turned around to follow the Brinks truck. That was the
plan, right? It wasn't going to drive out Main Street, was it? So, why
couldn't Pierce go out the same way? It's just a phony alibi. You have a
tendency to swallow bull chit whole.
You are practicing insanity, Sparta. That's because the photographic
evidence clearly and definitively shows that the Garage Shooter was NOT
Jack Ruby. And yet, you continue to say that he was in defiance of that
photographic evidence. And that is plucking insane.
There be something insane here.
And it ain't Sparta, or BigDog, or Viklund, or bpete, or Oblazney, or
Barber.


Say! Where'd "Amy" go?
InsideSparta
2017-06-22 19:41:57 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I provide evidence: Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby said that he saw Pierce driving
out when he was there, and since I have established that Jack Ruby was
there earlier, then it follows from that that Pierce must have been there
earlier. That's Logic, something that you know little or nothing about.
I haven't seen you provide one piece of credible evidence that proves Ruby
entered the garage prior to 11:20 AM.
Post by Ralph Cinque
And who says that the reason Pierce drove out at 10:15 was anything other
than baiting Ruby? I'm not saying that Pierce was actually going anywhere.
It was all about snaring Jack Ruby and providing a pretext for him getting
in. So, that's the reason he drove out at 10:15 (approximately): to bait
Ruby. No other reason; just that.
The evidence, physical and eyewitness says proves that Ruby was in the
Western Union office at 11:17. You like to say the evidence was forged,
and the witnesses lied, but you have no evidence to back your theory
up.
Post by Ralph Cinque
And what you call his "reason" for driving out at 11:15, it was really
just his false alibi for driving out then. Provide a police escort car to
the county jail? There was the Brinks truck which, reportedly, was going
to be driven empty. Then, Oswald was going to be in Fritz' car with
Dhority driving and carrying Leavelle and Graves and Oswald. And you're
saying that Pierce had to drive around to get in position? Well, the
Brinks truck was backed up into the Commerce Street ramp, so obviously it
was going to pull out that way, on Commerce. And Dhority was pulling in
with Fritz' car right when the shooting happened, and it was heading
towards Main Street. But, presumably, after Oswald and the others got in,
it was going to be turned around to follow the Brinks truck. That was the
plan, right? It wasn't going to drive out Main Street, was it? So, why
couldn't Pierce go out the same way? It's just a phony alibi. You have a
tendency to swallow bull chit whole.
You have no evidence whatsoever that Pierce drove out of the garage prior
to 11:20. None. Fritz car was already in the garage, and was being backed
into place. It was facing the Commerce exit, and was to follow the armored
vehicle out onto that street. Don't believe me? Watch the film, and read
the testimony of Detective Dhority.
Post by Ralph Cinque
You are practicing insanity, Sparta. That's because the photographic
evidence clearly and definitively shows that the Garage Shooter was NOT
Jack Ruby. And yet, you continue to say that he was in defiance of that
photographic evidence. And that is plucking insane.
I'll tell you what's insane, your fairytale that Ruby didn't shoot Oswald, and your sticking to it even after it's been blown to smithereens by the folks on this board.
Mark OBLAZNEY
2017-06-23 00:01:30 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I provide evidence: Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby said that he saw Pierce driving
out when he was there, and since I have established that Jack Ruby was
there earlier, then it follows from that that Pierce must have been there
earlier. That's Logic, something that you know little or nothing about.
And who says that the reason Pierce drove out at 10:15 was anything other
than baiting Ruby? I'm not saying that Pierce was actually going anywhere.
It was all about snaring Jack Ruby and providing a pretext for him getting
in. So, that's the reason he drove out at 10:15 (approximately): to bait
Ruby. No other reason; just that.
And what you call his "reason" for driving out at 11:15, it was really
just his false alibi for driving out then. Provide a police escort car to
the county jail? There was the Brinks truck which, reportedly, was going
to be driven empty. Then, Oswald was going to be in Fritz' car with
Dhority driving and carrying Leavelle and Graves and Oswald. And you're
saying that Pierce had to drive around to get in position? Well, the
Brinks truck was backed up into the Commerce Street ramp, so obviously it
was going to pull out that way, on Commerce. And Dhority was pulling in
with Fritz' car right when the shooting happened, and it was heading
towards Main Street. But, presumably, after Oswald and the others got in,
it was going to be turned around to follow the Brinks truck. That was the
plan, right? It wasn't going to drive out Main Street, was it? So, why
couldn't Pierce go out the same way? It's just a phony alibi. You have a
tendency to swallow bull chit whole.
You are practicing insanity, Sparta. That's because the photographic
evidence clearly and definitively shows that the Garage Shooter was NOT
Jack Ruby. And yet, you continue to say that he was in defiance of that
photographic evidence. And that is plucking insane.
It's time for a collage, Ralph. Better call your pal Richard up and have
him make you one.

Anthony Marsh
2017-06-18 03:10:41 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I have put together a blogpost citing the evidence which supports my
contention that Jack Ruby reached the garage much earlier than 11:20, and
why it had to be a totally separate incident that he had with police, who
then took him up to the 5th floor, which is where he was when the
televised spectacle occurred.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2017/06/i-want-you-all-to-realize-that-this.html
To answer your question posed on blog as to where Sam Pierce was going
when he drove out of the garage one minute before the shooting; he drove
out in order to get around to the other side (Commerce Street) of City
Hall so that he could provide a police car escort to the car taking Oswald
to the County Jail. Pierce could not drive out of the garage via the
normal exit, the Commerce Street ramp, because that exit was blocked by
the armored vehicle that was going to be a decoy. Pierce was forced to
drive out via the entrance ramp (Main Street). had Pierce driven out of
the garage an hour earlier, he would have used the normal exit ramp
(Commerce) and not needed to exit via the entrance (Main). There's no
evidence he drove out of the garage any earlier than when he did so one
minute before the shooting. Officer Roy Vaughan, who was tasked with
guarding the Main Street entrance, testified under oath to the WC that in
the nearly two hours he stood in the Main Street entrance doorway prior to
the shooting, he only had to move from his spot one time, when Sam Pierce
drove out of the garage approximately one minute before the shooting.
There simply is no evidence that Pierce drove out of the garage earlier,
because it simply didn't happen.
Stop reciting stories as if they are facts.
Jonny Mayer
2017-06-19 01:24:07 UTC
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One reporter said Ruby entered the basement in a green car.
InsideSparta
2017-06-19 17:06:33 UTC
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One reporter said Ruby entered the basement in a green car.
Don't come here and post something that you might have read in some
conspiracy book, or on another website, and throw it out like some stink
bomb without providing anything to back it up. What reporter? When did he
say or write that? What time did he see this occur? Officer Vaughan stated
that the only time he moved out of position in the nearly two hours he
stood in the Main Street entry way to the garage basement was when the car
exited the garage one minute before the shooting. There certainly isn't
any video evidence of a car entering the garage in the 15 minutes prior to
the shooting. And, given it was proven that Ruby was in the Western Union
office four minutes earlier, there's no way he could have been dropped off
by some mystery car. Please. Just stop it already.
Mark OBLAZNEY
2017-06-19 23:29:22 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
One reporter said Ruby entered the basement in a green car.
Don't come here and post something that you might have read in some
conspiracy book, or on another website, and throw it out like some stink
bomb without providing anything to back it up. What reporter? When did he
say or write that? What time did he see this occur? Officer Vaughan stated
that the only time he moved out of position in the nearly two hours he
stood in the Main Street entry way to the garage basement was when the car
exited the garage one minute before the shooting. There certainly isn't
any video evidence of a car entering the garage in the 15 minutes prior to
the shooting. And, given it was proven that Ruby was in the Western Union
office four minutes earlier, there's no way he could have been dropped off
by some mystery car. Please. Just stop it already.
Evidence that Cinque reached the psychiatrist substantially earlier than
told…….
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-20 22:42:10 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
One reporter said Ruby entered the basement in a green car.
Don't come here and post something that you might have read in some
conspiracy book, or on another website, and throw it out like some stink
bomb without providing anything to back it up. What reporter? When did he
say or write that? What time did he see this occur? Officer Vaughan stated
that the only time he moved out of position in the nearly two hours he
stood in the Main Street entry way to the garage basement was when the car
exited the garage one minute before the shooting. There certainly isn't
any video evidence of a car entering the garage in the 15 minutes prior to
the shooting. And, given it was proven that Ruby was in the Western Union
office four minutes earlier, there's no way he could have been dropped off
by some mystery car. Please. Just stop it already.
Not strong enough. You are too wimpy to post here, you bloody poofer. He
said the CAR went into the basement, not Ruby walked into the basement. We
KNOW Ruby walked into the basement, so you haven't proven anything new.
You need to point out that no strange car was allowed to drive into the
basement and the armored car was in the way.
Jonny Mayer
2017-06-21 14:49:18 UTC
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Stop what? Adding details because you can't put it in a box? I saw the
reporter in a video on YouTube saying it. It was in the basement just
after the shooting. I watch a lot of videos on the subject. I can't
remember all the details. Sometimes people are grateful I pipe up with
titbits here (although admittedly not presented thoroughly) as they are
sometimes interesting/seldom discussed.
Jonny Mayer
2017-06-22 00:51:05 UTC
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I would have linked the video Sparta but for your cheek you'll have to
look for it yourself if you want to know.
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-19 22:10:30 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
One reporter said Ruby entered the basement in a green car.
Is that the same reporter who called Oswald Lee HENRY?
Because he read it off the CIA 201 file?
Mark OBLAZNEY
2017-06-19 12:12:16 UTC
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Post by Ralph Cinque
I have put together a blogpost citing the evidence which supports my
contention that Jack Ruby reached the garage much earlier than 11:20, and
why it had to be a totally separate incident that he had with police, who
then took him up to the 5th floor, which is where he was when the
televised spectacle occurred.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2017/06/i-want-you-all-to-realize-that-this.html
To answer your question posed on blog as to where Sam Pierce was going
when he drove out of the garage one minute before the shooting; he drove
out in order to get around to the other side (Commerce Street) of City
Hall so that he could provide a police car escort to the car taking Oswald
to the County Jail. Pierce could not drive out of the garage via the
normal exit, the Commerce Street ramp, because that exit was blocked by
the armored vehicle that was going to be a decoy. Pierce was forced to
drive out via the entrance ramp (Main Street). had Pierce driven out of
the garage an hour earlier, he would have used the normal exit ramp
(Commerce) and not needed to exit via the entrance (Main). There's no
evidence he drove out of the garage any earlier than when he did so one
minute before the shooting. Officer Roy Vaughan, who was tasked with
guarding the Main Street entrance, testified under oath to the WC that in
the nearly two hours he stood in the Main Street entrance doorway prior to
the shooting, he only had to move from his spot one time, when Sam Pierce
drove out of the garage approximately one minute before the shooting.
There simply is no evidence that Pierce drove out of the garage earlier,
because it simply didn't happen.
Stop reciting stories as if they are facts.
Ralph can't beat Sparta. Ralph's too short.
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